Blood Pressure

[ollie989898]

Erm………………
IMO, the most within the NHS are obsessed with Cholesterol and Statins. Some of it are now less convinced.
I’m not going to recommend you stop taking them and you’ll have to make your own decisions about it all.

These are my views:
Cholesterol does not cause heart problems. Carbohydrates do.
If you stop eating Cholesterol, our bodies will make their own. It is a vital part of what we need and Satins stop it.
It is only damaged LDL Cholesterol that is in any way harmful to us. This only comes from Highly processed foods.

The proof is in those who have such gone onto the Carnivore diet and actually increase their Cholesterol intake, yet end up remarkably healthy and have lost weight.

There is plenty about this on YouTube, but one person in particular who likes to dig deep into the claims and pull them apart.
He is Dr Eric Westman.

It’s up to you to research it and make your own decisions.
I’d recommend not taking too much notice or listening to anybody that is stuck in the mud, within the NHS in that journey, before you decide what you want to do. IMO, brilliant as the NHS is, it isn’t always right.

If you don't understand simple terminology such as 'endogenous' and 'exogenous' then you frankly don't have sufficient understanding to be telling people stopping statins or ACE inhibitors is a great idea.

The NHS does not hand out medications for the lulz. Much research and discussion has gone into the use of statins and anti-hypertensives. Very clever people at NICE will have worked out if the risk of these medications is proportional to the benefit they convey to the masses. These medicines have been around a fair while and the evidence base is sizeable.

But fudge it: it's your heart, kidneys or brain, not mine.

 

[Two Tone]

If you don't understand simple terminology such as 'endogenous' and 'exogenous' then you frankly don't have sufficient understanding to be telling people stopping statins or ACE inhibitors is a great idea.

The NHS does not hand out medications for the lulz. Much research and discussion has gone into the use of statins and anti-hypertensives. Very clever people at NICE will have worked out if the risk of these medications is proportional to the benefit they convey to the masses. These medicines have been around a fair while and the evidence base is sizeable.

But fudge it: it's your heart, kidneys or brain, not mine.

With respect again, I specifically mention that I am not recommending that people stop taking Statins and clearly specify that these are my own opinions based on my personal experiences.

You continue to use technical terms that very few of us understand.
But worst of all, despite repeated requests, you continue to refuse to enlighten us as to your qualifications on any medial subject whatsoever.
Which in the absence of, we must all conclude is that everything you say is based on your own opinion rather than fact.

I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that I am drawing a halt to further ridiculous confrontations with you, but you seem to want to carry on digging.
With regard to anybody who behaves in such a provocative manor, my reply is simply “I’m sorry, I’m out!”

 

[d williams]

If you don't understand simple terminology such as 'endogenous' and 'exogenous' then you frankly don't have sufficient understanding to be telling people stopping statins or ACE inhibitors is a great idea.

The NHS does not hand out medications for the lulz. Much research and discussion has gone into the use of statins and anti-hypertensives. Very clever people at NICE will have worked out if the risk of these medications is proportional to the benefit they convey to the masses. These medicines have been around a fair while and the evidence base is sizeable.

But fudge it: it's your heart, kidneys or brain, not mine.

I don’t think he did give out any mis advice
I’m not so sure as to meds being handed out I’m sure the easy option is to hand them out
I was asking as my results are back to where they should be and maybe I should stay on the drugs but there doesn’t seem to be a risk assessment being done as to whether I should or not as far as I’m aware
I’d much rather not be taking them but should I stop and taking them and then have bloods again in a set time to see if things revert back or hold would make sense to me ????

 

[puppet]

The risk assessment can be done by an online calculator such as ASSIGN or QRISK. You need to know cholesterol and HDL levels, BP and some personal stuff. Your GP would usually do this before starting you on statins to assess your overall risk.
However, your metabolism is unlikely to change so the cholesterol you produce (endogenous) will just go back to where it was before statins. The other stuff you consume( exogenous) will have less impact unless you used to have a fry up twice a day.
Treatment would be at at 30% often now 20% risk (the evangelists say 10%) of developing cardiovascular disease in 10 years time. That means that at 20% risk out of 100 people 80 will still be fine at 10 years. 20 will maybe have angina and statins would prevent around 6 of those (reduce risk by 30%). So 14 will still develop illness in spite of the meds and 80 will not have seen any apparent benefit - though your arteries may still be better.
Depends on your outlook on risk and buying raffle tickets.

 

[ollie989898]

I don’t think he did give out any mis advice
I’m not so sure as to meds being handed out I’m sure the easy option is to hand them out
I was asking as my results are back to where they should be and maybe I should stay on the drugs but there doesn’t seem to be a risk assessment being done as to whether I should or not as far as I’m aware
I’d much rather not be taking them but should I stop and taking them and then have bloods again in a set time to see if things revert back or hold would make sense to me ????

Plenty of work has been done to determine risk. This is part of why the medicines are prescribed.

If the drugs were not effective or conferred no net benefit to the patient, they would not be financed, let alone prescribed. NICE decide all of this at a very high level and determine if it is worth spending the money (very few, if any, of these drugs are on patent any longer I should think as they've been around for a long time) and which patient demographic would benefit.

This conversation is really best done with the person who put you on them in the first instance and who would be best placed to swap them or halt them if you experience any side effects or can't otherwise tolerate them.

A lot of these mentioned ailments are multifactorial in nature and quite complicated. This is why it is unlikely that simple steps like just changing your diet or cutting out salt will be enough to make any reasonable difference to your numbers.

 

[d williams]

Plenty of work has been done to determine risk. This is part of why the medicines are prescribed.

If the drugs were not effective or conferred no net benefit to the patient, they would not be financed, let alone prescribed. NICE decide all of this at a very high level and determine if it is worth spending the money (very few, if any, of these drugs are on patent any longer I should think as they've been around for a long time) and which patient demographic would benefit.

This conversation is really best done with the person who put you on them in the first instance and who would be best placed to swap them or halt them if you experience any side effects or can't otherwise tolerate them.

A lot of these mentioned ailments are multifactorial in nature and quite complicated. This is why it is unlikely that simple steps like just changing your diet or cutting out salt will be enough to make any reasonable difference to your numbers.

Yes your probably correct in what you’re saying it’s just frustrating hearing that you’ll be on these for the rest of your days
As I’ve said I’ve got everything back to level's everybody happy with therefore in my layman’s thoughts they’re going to want to get me off these tablets but no one seems that bothered to me I may be totally wrong and a lot is going on in the background but nobody’s told me

 

[ollie989898]

Yes your probably correct in what you’re saying it’s just frustrating hearing that you’ll be on these for the rest of your days
As I’ve said I’ve got everything back to level's everybody happy with therefore in my layman’s thoughts they’re going to want to get me off these tablets but no one seems that bothered to me I may be totally wrong and a lot is going on in the background but nobody’s told me

It is unfortunate that no one seems to want to tell patients any of the details or reasons for having these medicines a sit would surely increase the concordance of people in taking them.

 

[mixedfmr]

I don’t think he did give out any mis advice
I’m not so sure as to meds being handed out I’m sure the easy option is to hand them out
I was asking as my results are back to where they should be and maybe I should stay on the drugs but there doesn’t seem to be a risk assessment being done as to whether I should or not as far as I’m aware
I’d much rather not be taking them but should I stop and taking them and then have bloods again in a set time to see if things revert back or hold would make sense to me ????

The NHS is what it is and i have little faith in them doing the best for me or my family WITHOUT our input to keep things on track,
BUT as regards blood pressure tablets, generally speaking if you dont take the pills, you face the consequences, possibly reduce a portion, BUT go too far, make a mistake (dont take the sweets a locom said and the pipe will burst and that the end) could be fatal. I came to the reality some time ago that i was on them for life,
Bcak out to lambing now

 

[ollie989898]

The NHS is what it is and i have little faith in them doing the best for me or my family WITHOUT our input to keep things on track,
BUT as regards blood pressure tablets, generally speaking if you dont take the pills, you face the consequences, possibly reduce a portion, BUT go too far, make a mistake (dont take the sweets a locom said and the pipe will burst and that the end) could be fatal. I came to the reality some time ago that i was on them for life,
Bcak out to lambing now

Why would you accept care from anyone you have no faith in?

What input are you expecting to give a clinician that would change their decision making?

 

[Old apprentice]

My daughter was diagnosed incorrectly by nhs, and has damaged her for the rest of here life.

 

[mixedfmr]

Why would you accept care from anyone you have no faith in?

What input are you expecting to give a clinician that would change their decision making?

Back in from lambing for porrige, so havent the time to spend on here, so a short
The only medical service we have is the fantastic NHS, Who let us down both medicaly and laboritry wise, and it took us too long to find out we have access to private top Doctors without referal in London only. The train is 2 hr from York, and the cost to get an answer there and then with tests is a LIFE SAVER
The NHS does hand out pills they think are every day cures with no side effects, WHICH HAS CAUSED SEVERE SIDE EFFECTS, and organ damage, the aroggance of some Doctors is unbelievable
But everbodys first port of call is the local Doctor, so initialy you have to trust them, DID

 

[Bossfarmer]

146/86 was my reading yesterday do i need to take pills?

 

[d williams]

146/86 was my reading yesterday do i need to take pills?

Depends on what you were doing

 

[Bossfarmer]

Depends on what you were doing

howd u mean

 

[d williams]

howd u mean

Had you been laying on the sofa for a hour or banging the misses for a hour ??

 

[Bossfarmer]

Had you been laying on the sofa for a hour or banging the misses for a hour ??

come off a tractor, walked in, sat down and took a reading

 

[d williams]

come off a tractor, walked in, sat down and took a reading

It seems a bit high then
but there’s a lot of things to take into consideration

 

[ollie989898]

Was it a New Holland tractor? Reckon this is another successful diagnosis on my part.

 

[Oliveau]

come off a tractor, walked in, sat down and took a reading

You need to do a resting BP reading and a one off test isn't sufficient.

In the morning sit down quietly for 10 minutes then take 3 readings. Follow the same procedure in the evenings. Repeat over 3 days then take the average of morning readings and average of evening readings.

 

[Still Farming]

You need to do a resting BP reading and a one off test isn't sufficient.

In the morning sit down quietly for 10 minutes then take 3 readings. Follow the same procedure in the evenings. Repeat over 3 days then take the average of morning readings and average of evening readings.

Sheets issued by Doctors usual require readings first thing in Morning and Evening for a week or a month.

Hospital fitted monitor also used sometimes.