Blue pallet law

[D14]

We look after a few industrial units and the tenants in the units have deliveries so there is quite a few blue pallets around the yard which get used for various things by various people. On Monday apparently somebody from CHEP just appeared and told a tenant that he was sending a truck in next week to collect all the blue pallets otherwise there will be charges.
Now whoever this guy was told a tenant and not the yard owner for starters. Secondly theres around 20 tenants so telling one is pointless as nobody talks to each other or are connected. Thirdly the pallets are effectively waste from the tenants deliveries rather than actually being anything to do with the yard owner although the yard owner does use the odd one now and a again. We believe the chep guy actually saw a bale of hay on one pallet infront of a stable and was not happy about it.

Does anybody know what the legal standing of this is please because we've had blue pallets around for years and they've never been collected. They just get disposed of as and when.

 

[Courier]

- CHEP pallets remain the property of CHEP, and must be made available for return to them.

CHEP is the trade name for the "Commonwealth Handling Equipment Pool"

They cannot be bought, they can only be rented.

Recyclers don't like them and it is an offence to burn them.

Best that the Landlord of the site gets them stacked up ready for collection bt make sure that you get a proper CHEP receipt.

Much like when the ubiquitous glass milk bottle used to be collected and re-patriated by MVRS Ltd

warehousenews.co.uk/.../prison-sentences-handed-out-for-illegal-trading-in-chep-pall...

 

[milkloss]

Interesting,

https://www.logisticshandling.com/a...f-blue-pallets-and-what-are-the-alternatives/

 

[JCMaloney]

^^ this. If they want to turn up & collect them then leave them to it... its their property that was rented to the supplying company who will, or can be, billed if their numbers don`t tally.

 

[7610 super q]

They treat you like you've stolen the Crown Jewels.
Anyhow, blue or not, they still get woodworm.

 

[D14]

^^ this. If they want to turn up & collect them then leave them to it... its their property that was rented to the supplying company who will, or can be, billed if their numbers don`t tally.

The paper trail of that though would be impossible wouldn't it. The tenant in a unit orders something from one of their many suppliers. The product is packed onto a pallet and a delivery company deliver it to the tenant. He empties the pallet then stacks it in a pile and walks away.

How on earth does CHEP know that there is a pallet there in the first place?

 

[Courier]

Does anyone know the current value of pallets floating around the world compared to the number of forklfts in operation - In 1971 I remember we were told that for every forklift (£10k ?)there was around £35ks worth of pallets

 

[JCMaloney]

The paper trail of that though would be impossible wouldn't it. The tenant in a unit orders something from one of their many suppliers. The product is packed onto a pallet and a delivery company deliver it to the tenant. He empties the pallet then stacks it in a pile and walks away.

How on earth does CHEP know that there is a pallet there in the first place?

From CHEP`s point of view they deliver 100 new rented pallets to Supplier X.
As long as Supplier X has 100 pallets when CHEP check all good..... if they only have 50 then they get billed for the missing ones. Saying "We sent them out to our customer via Courier Y" isn`t CHEP`s issue.
As far as ownership goes then CHEP send wagons around the country picking up the missing pallets.....that they have probably already invoiced someone for.....the collectors earn a price per pallet retrieved.
Its a good screw for CHEP!!

I preferred the plain ones that you could move on for 75p - £1 a pop....

 

[essexpete]

A neighbour of mine ran/runs a potato merchant business. He has always taken empty pallets to the farms to swap with loaded. Years ago a pallet rep called (I thought it was GKN with blue in those days). Rep said he was going to send a lorry for all the blue pallets in the yard. The neighbour replied with ''I have taken them in exchange for other pallets are you going to replace them?'' No was the answer, not our problem, our pallets we will collect them. Neighbour's retort was ''well you f'ing won't because I'll push them out in the field and burn the f'ing lot''. Funnily enough they did not hear any more!

 

[D14]

From CHEP`s point of view they deliver 100 new rented pallets to Supplier X.
As long as Supplier X has 100 pallets when CHEP check all good..... if they only have 50 then they get billed for the missing ones. Saying "We sent them out to our customer via Courier Y" isn`t CHEP`s issue.
As far as ownership goes then CHEP send wagons around the country picking up the missing pallets.....that they have probably already invoiced someone for.....the collectors earn a price per pallet retrieved.
Its a good screw for CHEP!!

I preferred the plain ones that you could move on for 75p - £1 a pop....

Ok then for this landlord's point of view then. They rent units to various individuals who pay them a fee for use of the unit. These tenants then have deliveries some of which are on blue pallets. The pallets are emptied and the tenants stack them into a various piles around the yard (not in their own units) so they get mixed up nobody knowing what came on what pallet etc.
The CHEP guy then turns up unannounced onto private property and from what we have been told was extremely arrogant to this one particular tenant, who actually does not have any deliveries himself, and said there will be a lorry into collect or charges applied.
How do they expect to load these pallets are there is no loader on site and as they have not booked an appointment or been granted access then how do they think they can just turn up.
Also what about the landlord sending chep an invoice for storing these pallets on and off for the last 20 years or so?

 

[Exfarmer]

We had a bolahy little git turn up in our yard one day asking about half a dozen we had stacked round the back. He threatened us for stealing them, knowing a little of the law I just told him to go away and multiply, his parting shot was they would be round to collect them, they were still gently rotting away ten years later. Absolute ignoramus way to run a business

 

[JCMaloney]

@D14 as per Exfarmers reply above..... they tend to use bullying tactics to reclaim the pallets. If folk say "Help yourself" they win, if not they just move on. There are millions of them out there and, if they don`t get co-operation, they just leave it and move on. They won`t be turning up with a warrant! lol

 

[Philip Watkins]

When I was on the delivery job one factory we delivered for used chep pallets for certain customers. You had a delivery note for the product and another one for the pallets. The chep ticket was filled out for number delivered and number returned. Any one sending goods on a chep pallet without paperwork has obtained the pallet by other than lawful means.

 

[andybk]

I would have thought a decent deposit would have made life easier for chep , make it worthwhile for anyone to return them (maybe 50p - 1) , bit like bottles of pop years ago , wouldnt get the bullying then

 

[Pasty]

Surely if they claim to own them, you could charge them for storage? Or even prosecute them for leaving waste on your property. I always made a point of disposing of mine fairly quickly. The wood is fairly good and gives of plenty of heat although you do get blue flames initially.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Send them an invoice for storage.

 

[Steevo]

Why do companies use CHEP pallets? Cheaper to rent than buy?

They're certainly the strongest pallets out there I'll give them that.

 

[Smith31]

The point is being missed a little here. CHEP own the pallets legally, they are only asking for their items to be returned.

It could be viewed as using stolen goods, so maybe not a good idea to P155 them off unless you fancy a police raid and front page headlines in the local paper, for the sake of a few pallets.

 

[7610 super q]

Aye, best call the Sweeney, 3 blue pallets have gone missing....

 

[B'o'B]

Does anyone know the current value of pallets floating around the world compared to the number of forklfts in operation - In 1971 I remember we were told that for every forklift (£10k ?)there was around £35ks worth of pallets

This is an interesting little 12 min talk about pallets....

The Boring Talks - Boring Talks #04 - Wooden Pallets http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05xltbh