Boris Is Toast

[Muck Spreader]

Can fishy Rishi have any understanding of how people who aren't billionaires live?
Woman on the radio saying she works full time and can only feed her kids 1 meal a day and she's eating their leftovers!
WTF has happened to the UK?! It's 2022 not 1822!!

There is a video around of Sunak trying to show empathy with the average Brit, by saying how financially tough life was when he was first married. Remind me, how much does his wife earn!

 

[czechmate]

Absolutely Brian. Restoration of the £20 would have been effective and immediate. This was said on Money Box. The Most effective method of distributing money to those deemed in need is through the benefits system. Cannot fathom why Sunak has gone for such a convoluted method. Students for example are entitled but many will be between residences and often do not actually pay council tax. Then there are many needy pensioners in band E properties. Ah well. Be just desserts if Sunak gets badvfallout.

I suppose there is some method to the madness; surely by and large household energy bills go to the same people that pay “poll tax” (I still like that name for it)

 

[le bon paysan]

Its not just UK though LBP. I hazard a guess somewhere in Le Francais I will be able to find similar. I say that before you are pilloried about being anti UK. You can pillory me instead for a false view France. I also anticipate the usual tirade of 'well cancel the Netflix, mobile phone, 55 inch Flat screen Tv, etc, etc'. But the grim reality is the energy price rise is going to have significant impacts as per 1973. This is a switch in power to the energy producing countries of the Middle East, Russia, Nigeria etc. All generally with autocratic governments that will understandably see this as an opportunity to gather petro dollars. The mum unable to feed her kids in Wigan or the 80 year old who dies of hyperthermia in Nottingham is as poor misfortunate in this war, for it is indeed WW3, of its sorts. As for Sunak, well no Chancellor and very rare politician can fully appreciate the lives and ways of living of many, many of the electorate. Does it matter if he understands. Doubt it. Might affect the wording of a speech or two.

Oh, have no doubt, hard times are coming all over Europe.
I know just how fortunate we are to live this life in this quiet place.

Lower inflation, better jobs … in France la vie est belle

Emmanuel Macron’s reforms have seen the country pull ahead of the UK on most economic measures

www.theguardian.com

 

[Hindsight]

I suppose there is some method to the madness; surely by and large household energy bills go to the same people that pay “poll tax” (I still like that name for it)

Many people who pay 'poll tax' are well capable of paying the additional energy Bill. A Mr Sunak springs to mind, depending on the band, presumption is rich people have high band houses. Not always the case. Many who do not pay the tax, or only I directly through a landlord, are not capable. Money box would provide a better explanation than me, if interested. Anyway politically it is best paid this say rather than the benefits system, as it is not tarred as a benefit.

 

[Raider112]

I suppose there is some method to the madness; surely by and large household energy bills go to the same people that pay “poll tax” (I still like that name for it)

Council tax isn't poll tax, it was a replacement for it. In many ways the poll tax was better, with the council tax a single person pays the same as the house next door with 5 wage earners.

 

[czechmate]

Oh, have no doubt, hard times are coming all over Europe.
I know just how fortunate we are to live this life in this quiet place.

Lower inflation, better jobs … in France la vie est belle

Emmanuel Macron’s reforms have seen the country pull ahead of the UK on most economic measures

www.theguardian.com

Could be warmer

 

[czechmate]

Council tax isn't poll tax, it was a replacement for it. In many ways the poll tax was better, with the council tax a single person pays the same as the house next door with 5 wage earners.

I think you are wrong
I used to pay “Rates”. Thatcher replaced rates with the “poll tax” (trialing, unsuccessfully, in Scotland first) which is still the council tax.
A sneaky little increase was the way that water and sewage rates used to be included with the “rates” but were then charged as an extra to the council tax

 

[arcobob]

My household energy supplier sells me 100% electricity from renewable sources. The unit price has gone up 50%. Is the increased cost of wind and sun responsible for this or do I smell a scam?

 

[arcobob]

I think you are wrong
I used to pay “Rates”. Thatcher replaced rates with the “poll tax” (trialing, unsuccessfully, in Scotland first) which is still the council tax.
A sneaky little increase was the way that water and sewage rates used to be included with the “rates” but were then charged as an extra to the council tax

There was nothing wrong with the poll tax and even Prudence Brown hinted that it must be the way forward when chancellor under Blair. As individuals we all excrete and pee the same amount, fill the same number of waste receptacles and place the same demands on all services. WTF has the perceived rental value of the property that you live in got to do with that?
A poll tax is the same for all, a council tax is a property tax., pure and simple.
I have always paid separate water/sewage rates and again these have been tied to the property valuation though you can elect to have a metered water supply and the sewage charge is proportional to water used. If you water the garden frequently you pay for more water but you are adjudged to have produced more sewage as a result. There is no fair method which can be easily administered but a tax based on property valuation for the provision of all services is surely not fair.

 

[czechmate]

There was nothing wrong with the poll tax and even Prudence Brown hinted that it must be the way forward when chancellor under Blair. As individuals we all excrete and pee the same amount, fill the same number of waste receptacles and place the same demands on all services. WTF has the perceived rental value of the property that you live in got to do with that?
A poll tax is the same for all, a council tax is a property tax., pure and simple.

we, in Leics, never had a tax that was paid to the local council, that was the same for everyone.
Even back in the “rates” days, a house would have a “rateable value”

 

[arcobob]

we, in Leics, never had a tax that was paid to the local council, that was the same for everyone.
Even back in the “rates” days, a house would have a “rateable value”

For rateable value read rentable value. That is the basis for council tax evaluation. Our water/sewage charge is based on that same evaluation. It is a double whammy property tax and bears no relationship to cost of service used.

 

[czechmate]

For rateable value read rentable value. That is the basis for council tax evaluation. Our water/sewage charge is based on that same evaluation. It is a double whammy property tax and bears no relationship to cost of service used.

for this, and your electricity bill, I would blame Macron, the French, the EU or best of all, all three.
Seems to work well for @bobk

 

[arcobob]

for this, and your electricity bill, I would blame Macron, the French, the EU or best of all, all three.
Seems to work well for @bobk

You are being silly. In my opinion world energy prices are fixed by the cartel. You know, that organisation that operates along lines that are illegal in domestic business. Dare I mention OPEC ? Where does renewable energy figure in all of this? Even though my supplier guarantees 100% electricity from renewable energy, when it comes to pricing someone else is pulling the strings.

 

[czechmate]

You are being silly. In my opinion world energy prices are fixed by the cartel. You know, that organisation that operates along lines that are illegal in domestic business. Dare I mention OPEC ? Where does renewable energy figure in all of this? Even though my supplier guarantees 100% electricity from renewable energy, when it comes to pricing someone else is pulling the strings.

You’re correct I was being silly, but maybe with a pinch of truth... might EDF be in the mix?

 

[Hindsight]

for this, and your electricity bill, I would blame Macron, the French, the EU or best of all, all three.
Seems to work well for @bobk

Can add Mr Putin now to the troika.

 

[czechmate]

Can add Mr Putin now to the troika.

Nah, the nutters love him

 

[Raider112]

I think you are wrong
I used to pay “Rates”. Thatcher replaced rates with the “poll tax” (trialing, unsuccessfully, in Scotland first) which is still the council tax.
A sneaky little increase was the way that water and sewage rates used to be included with the “rates” but were then charged as an extra to the council tax

The idea of the poll tax was that every adult (wage earner?) paid a set amount, hence the name. This was very unpopular with some as a family with grown up children living at home suddenly faced large bills. Poll tax riots followed and it was abandoned in favour of a banded scheme based on the size of the house, which gave a house with several earners a big advantage over a single occupant.

 

[Henarar]

The idea of the poll tax was that every adult (wage earner?) paid a set amount, hence the name. This was very unpopular with some as a family with grown up children living at home suddenly faced large bills. Poll tax riots followed and it was abandoned in favour of a banded scheme based on the size of the house, which gave a house with several earners a big advantage over a single occupant.

well if they are sitting on a million pound asset they can sell and buy something smaller
well that's what gets thrown at farmers

 

[bobk]

for this, and your electricity bill, I would blame Macron, the French, the EU or best of all, all three.
Seems to work well for @bobk

Macron cuts fuel duty , ha ha , not a cynical election bribe or what .

 

[czechmate]

Macron cuts fuel duty , ha ha , not a cynical election bribe or what .

Let’s hope it works