Boris........

[Hilly]

Yes that's right let's blame the working man, easy target's. Let's blame farmers for TB not the government's fault at all.

No not the working man, senior management in hospitals big difference.

 

[Ukjay]

If you send a farm employee up a ladder without the correct safety precautions, it will not be the employee at fault, but the farmer.

Try it and watch the HSE prosecute you for the value of a 10 acre field.

That's because there is the laws of the Land.

Please show me where the law dictates the carrying capacity of Ppe for such events, I fear as I wrote earlier, you will not find it mandated by any government, or we wouldn't be here now if we are to believe Sir King's alleged claims - and he working with both governments....

 

[Smith31]

I believe Labour had cut the NHS spend in the 70's due to a massive budget deficit.
Before that, I believe Conservative did something in the 50's, a few years after the inception of the NHS - so not really the same due to no history of expenditure like Labour would have had...

Sadly, the real facts will fall on deaf ears for @Smith31 as he is too busy blaming others...

As a conservative voter, I couldn't care less what Labour did. I am simply pointing out how unprepared our current government were eventhough they had at least 3 months prior notice, the supermarkets managed to get NZ lamb to our shores but the government failed to provide ppe to the NHS.

 

[Smith31]

That's because there is the laws of the Land.

Please show me where the law dictates the carrying capacity of Ppe for such events, I fear as I wrote earlier, you will not find it mandated by any government, or we wouldn't be here now if we are to believe Sir King's alleged claims - and he working with both governments....

Funny you say that, because solicitors firms are currently preparing action against the NHS for placing their employees at risk. I doubt Tom in hospital admin will pick up the bill.

Duty of care towards employees is a legal requirement, I am nothing but a poor sheep farmer who barely scraped through his A Levels many moons ago, even I know that.

 

[Smith31]

No not the working man, senior management in hospitals big difference.

Sorry to burst your bubble but most within the NHS including management are not on massive salaries.

 

[caveman]

As a conservative voter, I couldn't care less what Labour did. I am simply pointing out how unprepared our current government were eventhough they had at least 3 months prior notice, the supermarkets managed to get NZ lamb to our shores but the government failed to provide ppe to the NHS.

Sorry to burst your bubble but most within the NHS including management are not on massive salaries.

Funny you say that, because solicitors firms are currently preparing action against the NHS for placing their employees at risk. I doubt Tom in hospital admin will pick up the bill.

Why don't you go and start your own bitching thread?

Oh.
That's right.
Nobody would bother to look in.

 

[Smith31]

Why don't you go and start your own bitching thread?

Oh.
That's right.
Nobody would bother to look in.

What am I bitching about? I don't see you or Boris sending your partners to the frontline, yet you're calling me out for asking the government to protect 21 year old nurses working on the front line.

 

[caveman]

What am I bitching about?

GFY

 

[beardface]

As a conservative voter, I couldn't care less what Labour did. I am simply pointing out how unprepared our current government were eventhough they had at least 3 months prior notice, the supermarkets managed to get NZ lamb to our shores but the government failed to provide ppe to the NHS.

Precisely sums up how utterly useless the civil service is and why massive reform is required. You only have to ring the RPA about a sub or scheme issue to realise the level of intelligence running the country.....

 

[upnortheast]

eventhough they had at least 3 months prior notice, the supermarkets managed to get NZ lamb to our shores

Supermarkets have NZ lamb every year. Nowt to do with the current situation

 

[Smith31]

I have asked my wife to have a look at this thread she is currently at work in the local hospital. A few other farmers wives and daughters work alongside her they are disgusted by some of the comments on here.

How the government is not at fault for sending them to the frontline without the necessary ppe is beyond them and yes they too don't blame Boris directly, but all politicians.

Apologies for the posts, the subject is a bit close to my heart for family reasons. There is a probability we may never see my wife again, maybe not even attend her funeral yet we have d**ks on here saying it's not the governments problem.

 

[MiJ]

How were the Isolation hospitals managed?
Can’t imagine they had disposable anything in those days, so must have had a way of cleaning and sterilising everything.

 

[Hilly]

Sorry to burst your bubble but most within the NHS including management are not on massive salaries.

Please quote me where I said nhs managers were on large salaries .

 

[SilliamWhale]

Can you point us to the cuts in the NHS a far as I'm aware NO government has ever cut spending on the NHS, is it not the buyers in the NHS responibilty to buy stuff or is Boris meant to send the orders out, the biggest problem with the NHS i the management, my wife works in it and I see first hand how sh!t many of them are, the worse they are the higher they seem to get. She is very likely to be redeployed if things get worse, none of the managers have been
The front line staff are doing and always have done a wonderful job

The cuts to the NHS is one the biggest myths going - we may have cut the speed of the increase of payments but not cut per se. The other big myth is that is was invented by Labour alone and that somehow Nye Bevan needs to be deified. The reality is it was long debated in Parliament and approved and initially planned by the Conservative government beforehand - so it was a cohesive national effort.

The other thing that is really grating me now is the absolute NHS sacred cow thing. Yes I am grateful for it but equally its all those jobs that for some reason we are now calling "non-essential" as if somehow more expendable than "essential" jobs - it is the non essential jobs and income that have created the extra money to pay for it.

 

[robs1]

I have asked my wife to have a look at this thread she is currently at work in the local hospital. A few other farmers wives and daughters work alongside her they are disgusted by some of the comments on here.

How the government is not at fault for sending them to the frontline without the necessary ppe is beyond them and yes they too don't blame Boris directly, but all politicians.

Apologies for the posts, the subject is a bit close to my heart for family reasons. There is a probability we may never see my wife again, maybe not even attend her funeral yet we have willys on here saying it's not the governments problem.

My wife is nhs too so I do know how you feel, but I have just been to town for the first time since this all started as I had to pay in some cheques and cash, then went to local petrol station to pick up some milk and a couple of other things, the bank staff had gloves, the garage staff had gloves, a few folk driving and walking about had gloves and masks, not that they were wearing them properly but if the public and shops can get them why couldnt the managers of the nhs, it's not the bloke in the stores it's the top managers job, they are paid large sums to be prepared, they weren't, I agree that the government should have made it law that all suppliers had to provide to the NHS first when shortages first occurred.

 

[Ukjay]

As a conservative voter, I couldn't care less what Labour did. I am simply pointing out how unprepared our current government were eventhough they had at least 3 months prior notice, the supermarkets managed to get NZ lamb to our shores but the government failed to provide ppe to the NHS.

But you should care, as you are the one using people who were in said government, then subsequently the Conservative government who appears on face value to not do anything other than take the money and run (until now which comes across as a professional career defensive tactic before the sh!t show really kicks off).

Therefore we need to ask this: Was the model he earmarked as having prepared actually shared with the current Conservative government, as I would hypothesise it may have been a topic of conversation behind closed doors in Labor Government times - therefore, has Boris and his team actually been given this documentation as is being portrayed....

If your person who come out the closet to bash the government had really given a sh!t and was fully behind the alleged modelling, he wouldn't have continued to work with these people would he.
He would have (Should have) done the morally correct thing to do and step down and create Mary hell by showing the public what both governments were failing to mandate imho, unless of course, the modelling wasn't actually peer reviewed and validated to any conclusive degree vs what is claimed, or the perks were good enough to ignore the potential impacts until said time as the sh!t hit the fan, then one potentially defaults to base nature and tries to save one's own neck as seems to be the case in politics...


As for the NZ Lamb import reference, tell me:

Just because China can print of CE certificates etc that the authentication is somewhat dubious - it doesn't mean it is safe to use, so should we get Bob making PPE in his back street sweatshop to help out, or set up some dirty factory that is far from clean enough to make Medical PPE, then wait for the already overstretched NHS deal with other complications caused through rash decisions in supplying unfit PPE...

Thus placing even more people at risk through believing their rushed through PPE is actually working when it isn't..?

You see, making medical grade PPE is not something to be rushed, as it is supposed to safe lives, prevent further complications, not add further complications to it.

Also, why are you not calling out every Tom dick and harry who has purposely gone and purchased every face mask to save their own neck, or is that Boris's fault too.

You see, humans are have a very selfish breed when things like this happen, but fortunately there are a lot who step up to help others whilst risking themselves, and that is why our NHS should be admired and protected.

BUT IN A CONTROLLED WAY!!

 

[Smith31]

But you should care, as you are the one using people who were in said government, then subsequently the Conservative government who appears on face value to not do anything other than take the money and run (until now which comes across as a professional career defensive tactic before the sh!t show really kicks off).

Therefore we need to ask this: Was the model he earmarked as having prepared actually shared with the current Conservative government, as I would hypothesise it may have been a topic of conversation behind closed doors in Labor Government times - therefore, has Boris and his team actually been given this documentation as is being portrayed....

If your person who come out the closet to bash the government had really given a sh!t and was fully behind the alleged modelling, he wouldn't have continued to work with these people would he.
He would have (Should have) done the morally correct thing to do and step down and create Mary hell by showing the public what both governments were failing to mandate imho, unless of course, the modelling wasn't actually peer reviewed and validated to any conclusive degree vs what is claimed, or the perks were good enough to ignore the potential impacts until said time as the sh!t hit the fan, then one potentially defaults to base nature and tries to save one's own neck as seems to be the case in politics...


As for the NZ Lamb import reference, tell me:

Just because China can print of CE certificates etc that the authentication is somewhat dubious - it doesn't mean it is safe to use, so should we get Bob making PPE in his back street sweatshop to help out, or set up some dirty factory that is far from clean enough to make Medical PPE, then wait for the already overstretched NHS deal with other complications caused through rash decisions in supplying unfit PPE...

Thus placing even more people at risk through believing their rushed through PPE is actually working when it isn't..?

You see, making medical grade PPE is not something to be rushed, as it is supposed to safe lives, prevent further complications, not add further complications to it.

Also, why are you not calling out every Tom dick and harry who has purposely gone and purchased every face mask to save their own neck, or is that Boris's fault too.

You see, humans are have a very selfish breed when things like this happen, but fortunately there are a lot who step up to help others whilst risking themselves, and that is why our NHS should be admired and protected.

Mp's have given themselves a £10,000 wage rise, as they have to work from home through the virus. These are the homes they already claim expenses for. Hope this lockdown gives them a chance to catch up, maybe order a few bits we may need in 6 months time.

I fully respect your reasoning and those of others, you're always polite and respectful. I have been asked by the op to stop bitching, so I shall respect his decision and refrain from replying.

Just to confirm once again, I hope Boris and his gf make a full recovery, hopefully young Boris will be born fit and healthy and in a virus free world in a few months time.

 

[Ukjay]

Funny you say that, because solicitors firms are currently preparing action against the NHS for placing their employees at risk. I doubt Tom in hospital admin will pick up the bill.

Duty of care towards employees is a legal requirement, I am nothing but a poor sheep farmer who barely scraped through his A Levels many moons ago, even I know that.

You've finally subconsciously realised something I've been trying to tell you in your post there I highlighted it for you..


So taking your tirade further, you are saying basically that you could have predicted with no previous experience of such an event, just how much of everything the NHS needed, get it manufactured in time, shipped into large holding warehouses in readiness for what has been transpiring - whilst at the same time the whole planet had ordered exactly the same products.

Wow, WTF are you a farmer, you should be one of the 1% ers....

In response to your comment about the legal claims, doesn't surprise me one bit that the vultures are out to blame the NHS, which ironically will cause even more negative impact on the already overloaded system - but that's OK isn't it...

Sad times indeed..

 

[Lowland1]

I wrote somewhere else the NHS employs around 1.5 million people it is the U.K's largest employer and the fifth largest in the world but basically it's rudderless. Who is really in charge? to be perfectly honest and whilst not wishing to insult those risking their lives it's a poorly run organisation and has been for years it exists because everyone says we need it so no one dare give it the pruning it needs.

 

[Muck Spreader]

I wrote somewhere else the NHS employs around 1.5 million people it is the U.K's largest employer and the fifth largest in the world but basically it's rudderless. Who is really in charge? to be perfectly honest and whilst not wishing to insult those risking their lives it's a poorly run organisation and has been for years it exists because everyone says we need it so no one dare give it the pruning it needs.

If it's rudderless and poorly run you can only blame the government, no one else.