Bravoxin 10

[Downton_shep]

Looking at changing the outside lambers over from Heptavac P+.
was planning to give first dose just after scanning then 5 weeks later give the second, which would be 4 weeks before lambing. Seemed perfect, but looking at the data sheet it says not to use in first 2/3 of pregnancy! How do others get their ewes onto the system?

 

[neilo]

I apparently did it by not reading that on the data sheet, or maybe it's a new addition? It didn't seem to cause any problems anyway.

I've moved my lambs over to it now as well, so everything will just need a pre-lambing booster now.

 

[Al R]

I apparently did it by not reading that on the data sheet, or maybe it's a new addition? It didn't seem to cause any problems anyway.

I've moved my lambs over to it now as well, so everything will just need a pre-lambing booster now.

Footvax was like that, it was always 1 dose in the first year then they changed the data sheet for 2 doses in the first year. Another 72p/animal for them with just a few extra words on the sheet. I’ve stayed at 1 dose.

 

[exmoor dave]

Changed a few years ago fron Hep P+

Massively cheaper than Hep P

But I'm not 100% convinced it was clever to drop the pasturella cover.....


..... but I wasn't convinced that the pasturella aspect of Hep P actually did any thing....? ?

 

[Downton_shep]

That’s what I was hoping you’d say @neilo

 

[Downton_shep]

Changed a few years ago fron Hep P+

Massively cheaper than Hep P

But I'm not 100% convinced it was clever to drop the pasturella cover.....


..... but I wasn't convinced that the pasturella aspect of Hep P actually did any thing....? ?

This is basically what I’m wondering. Might keep them on Hep P till they’re a shearling, then on to Bravoxin.

 

[Tim W]

Changed a few years ago fron Hep P+

Massively cheaper than Hep P

But I'm not 100% convinced it was clever to drop the pasturella cover.....


..... but I wasn't convinced that the pasturella aspect of Hep P actually did any thing....? ?

Changed from Hepto to Bravoxin in the ewes a few years back with no ill effects
Still dose the lambs with Hepto (x 2) as they can succumb to Pasturella in the first winter but very raely once they get to 12 months old
When ewe lambs join the breeding flock i just give 1 dose of Bravoxin ---this only then covers the clostridial strains covered in Hepto but all seems to be working well
Been on this system for 4 or 5 years i think with no change in lamb /ewe mortality due to clostridial or Pasturella

 

[Nithsdale]

Erm...
I didn't put them onto the system. They were on the Covexin8 system, then I switched... the ewes just get the booster once a year.

Gimmers get done twice in August timed with when they get their Cevac vaccination and other doses before entering the flock... then they get done with the rest of the flock pre lambing

 

[yellowbelly]

This is basically what I’m wondering. Might keep them on Hep P till they’re a shearling, then on to Bravoxin.

That's what's making me reluctant to change - we always seem to get a bit of pasturella in lambs Changing over when they're shearlings seems a good option. Heptavac is getting far too expensive.

When ewe lambs join the breeding flock i just give 1 dose of Bravoxin ---this only then covers the clostridial strains covered in Hepto but all seems to be working well

Seems like a good plan - I'm guessing the clostridials don't know whether you used Heptavac or Bravoxin

 

[neilo]

That's what's making me reluctant to change - we always seem to get a bit of pasturella in lambs Changing over when they're shearlings seems a good option. Heptavac is getting far too expensive.

I had a couple of years when I changed them over as shearlings, which is a pain as you have to go through everything just to give the shearlings a primer if they're all running as one mob. The final straw for me was when I lost 10 ewe lambs with Pasteurella in Autumn 2018, from a bunch of 140 that had been vaccinated with Hep P+, and nothing from the store lambs that had never had their second dose. The only ones I've lost with Pasteurella (unconfirmed but suspected) this year, have been pure Beltexes that have had three doses of Hep P+!

Seems like a good plan - I'm guessing the clostridials don't know whether you used Heptavac or Bravoxin

I'm sure I read somewhere, years ago, that you could chop & change between Covexin and Heptavac as far as the clostridial component was concerned.

 

[Nithsdale]

I'm sure I read somewhere, years ago, that you could chop & change between Covexin and Heptavac as far as the clostridial component was concerned.

We have gradually moved from HepP+, then to the lilac coloured plain Hep (before it was discontinued) then to Covexin8 and now Bravoxin10...


The datasheet in the lilac Hep box and the one in the Covexin8 read identically... we came to the conclusion they are all the same active 'ingredients' and the clostridial vaccination part is interchangeable without falling off the system. (Obviously the 2 extra vaccines in Bravoxin10 are not covered if you previously used Covexin8 or Hep)

 

[scholland]

Changed to bravoxin 10 here due to sordelli, devastating clostridial disease ?
As a few above ewe lambs still get hep p then onto bravoxin as gimmers.

 

[exmoor dave]

Changed from Hepto to Bravoxin in the ewes a few years back with no ill effects
Still dose the lambs with Hepto (x 2) as they can succumb to Pasturella in the first winter but very raely once they get to 12 months old
When ewe lambs join the breeding flock i just give 1 dose of Bravoxin ---this only then covers the clostridial strains covered in Hepto but all seems to be working well
Been on this system for 4 or 5 years i think with no change in lamb /ewe mortality due to clostridial or Pasturella

Don't currently vaccinate the lambs as historically we lost lambs in fair numbers to pulpy kidney at 3-4 weeks, which vaccinating the ewes has reduced hugely.

But I keep fairly detailed death records and I think we are at about the break even point of justifying the cost ovivac/hep P if it was highly effective against pasturella..... the question is whether it is