Brexit is destroying Britain

[Aspiring Peasants]

For yours.

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If you read the Exeter University link it will explain to you how the Kubler Ross model has been developed and widely utilised as a method of helping people understand their reactions to significant change or upheaval.

 

[stewart]

I normally stay out of this thread because of such responses to posts not addressed to the responder.

I did read what you wrote, e.g. your agreement (#4780) with its yourself that what happened to WD AFTER he had been paying tax in a country for 5 years meant he could not have been in the EU. You missed that too. He was a tax payer. You then agree with iy’s post #4813 that he will treat the claim of needing a permit to use a swimming pool with contempt. Yet the pair of you agree with @stewart (#4853) that countries and locals can make their own rules and regulations. Agreeing with that statement does not concur with the earlier stance you both took that needing such a permit is not possible in the EU.

As normal though with several of you, you get an idea and there is a tendency to go off about all sorts of matters not related to what another poster has written and make claims about their post that they had not made. Take my recent exchange with Mek as an example. I can find others. You also have a group who seem to automatically agree with anything another in the group posts. I already drew attention to this in an earlier post.

I never suggested that any tourist should be able to go to the library and take out books. Nor that they should be able to use any other facility.

I gave the facts as they related to someone living in Portugal, but not of Portuguese nationality, and close enough to that particular swimming pool (and library) that they might want to use it. Forget about WD, and I do not know about Belgium in general or any other pools in Portugal because I looked up the regulations only for this particular one.

Had I wanted to use it the situation of proving my right to access would have been the same as I told him he would have to meet. I would have needed a Residence Permit and this is despite the fact my wife and I owned a house and land in the general area and we paid all due taxes. The double taxation agreement reduced my liability to income tax in Portugal, the same as it reduced the liability in the UK for Portuguese nationals living in the UK - and there are a lot of them. The same need would have applied had I wanted to use the library. It did apply when I needed a driving licence. I have already posted that obtaining a Residence Permit is not as onerous as some other countries, but for true FoM it should not be necessary. You know from my posts my wife was initially refused hers.

You are one of the ones that denied the restrictions WD posted about could happen anywhere in the EU. Had we not eventually obtained a Residency Permit for my wife she would not have been able to drive or use any of the public facilities with these restrictions had she wished to do so. I never followed it through, but the question arises – what if she could not obtain a Residence Permit? Would she have to leave the country? Does/did that happen in other EU countries?

The issue with not being able to use a local swimming pool could quite simply be a lack of ability to accept the rules and regulations of another country.
We have to prove we are local to use, or get a discount for using, local services, I don’t see it as a problem and willing accept it.
I’m quite intrigued about your Australian experience, I understand it’s not an easy place to farm (depending where in Australia you were) why did you leave?

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Change to corruption. That's brexit so far.

You've certainly got plenty of brass neck

EU corruption scandal intensifies as ex-parliament boss exposes MEPs 'soft laws'​

Story by Alessandra Scotto di Santolo • 9h ago

EU institutions members' have for years been able to operate under internal rules that act like mere "fig leaves", a former European Parliament official has denounced. MEPs careers remain in the balance as fingers are pointed at Qatari officials accused of bribing them to play down labour rights concerns ahead of the World Cup.

The Parliamentary Socialists and Democrats (S&D) group - which unites centre-left parties across member states - is at the centre of the controversy. It's a considerable blow to the bloc as the S&D is the second-largest group in the 705-seat assembly even after losing more than 30 seats in the last election.

Following months of investigations, police launched more than 20 raids, mostly in Belgium but also in Italy. Hundreds of thousands of euros have been found in Brussels: at an apartment and in a suitcase at a hotel not far from the parliament.

Mobile telephones, computer equipment and the data of 10 parliamentary assistants were seized.

According to Emilio De Capitani, former Parliament official, the root of the problem lies in internal rules that allow MEPs to run matters almost unchecked and unsanctioned.

 

[stewart]

These are an overview of moving to Spain now. Basic State pensioners need not bother.

The New Rules For Brits Moving To Spain - Expat Network

Any Brits moving to Spain now that we are no longer in the EU have different options to obtain a visa with higher income requirements.

expatnetwork.com

Seems reasonable.

 

[its yourself]

One of the statistically inaccuracies that are common on this thread and in headline grabbing newspapers is trying to make a judgement on economic performance based on one or two years data. Anybody with half an idea about economics will know this is far to short a time period. One of the examples of this as shown in the bar chart below is the fall in GDP between 2021 and 2022 which is claimed by simple souls to prove Brexit is a disaster. (The truth of course is that this one year fall is mainly due to the aftermath of covid, worldwide inflation and Ukraine)

What the bar chart shows is that even when ignoring the record year of 2021, GDP in 2022 was higher than other year bar one out of the last ten. Quite encouraging really

GDP in the United Kingdom averaged 1286.11 USD Billion from 1960 until 2021, reaching an all time high of 3131.38 USD Billion in 2021 and a record low of 73.23 USD Billion in 1960. This page provides the latest reported value for - United Kingdom GDP (Source World Bank)​

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Is that inflation adjusted?

 

[its yourself]

If you read the Exeter University link it will explain to you how the Kubler Ross model has been developed and widely utilised as a method of helping people understand their reactions to significant change or upheaval.

OK boomer.

 

[its yourself]

You've certainly got plenty of brass neck

EU corruption scandal intensifies as ex-parliament boss exposes MEPs 'soft laws'​

Story by Alessandra Scotto di Santolo • 9h ago

EU institutions members' have for years been able to operate under internal rules that act like mere "fig leaves", a former European Parliament official has denounced. MEPs careers remain in the balance as fingers are pointed at Qatari officials accused of bribing them to play down labour rights concerns ahead of the World Cup.

The Parliamentary Socialists and Democrats (S&D) group - which unites centre-left parties across member states - is at the centre of the controversy. It's a considerable blow to the bloc as the S&D is the second-largest group in the 705-seat assembly even after losing more than 30 seats in the last election.

Following months of investigations, police launched more than 20 raids, mostly in Belgium but also in Italy. Hundreds of thousands of euros have been found in Brussels: at an apartment and in a suitcase at a hotel not far from the parliament.

Mobile telephones, computer equipment and the data of 10 parliamentary assistants were seized.

According to Emilio De Capitani, former Parliament official, the root of the problem lies in internal rules that allow MEPs to run matters almost unchecked and unsanctioned.

Unchecked you say?

Michelle Mone scandal captivates Britain

The atypical member of the House of Lords is suspected of having pocketed £29 million of public money thanks to a contract awarded by the British government at the start of the Covid-19 pandemic.

www.lemonde.fr

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Unchecked you say?

Michelle Mone scandal captivates Britain

The atypical member of the House of Lords is suspected of having pocketed £29 million of public money thanks to a contract awarded by the British government at the start of the Covid-19 pandemic.

www.lemonde.fr

There's no point going tit for tat on scandals and corruption, none of it is acceptable. But the UK doesn't have a monopoly on it

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

For those people who still want our country to do well, some encouraging news from the Stock Market.

Equities in London advanced for a third consecutive session on Thursday, with the benchmark FTSE 100 closing above 7,600 and just shy of a fresh record closing high, driven by gains among financials, materials, and energy stocks. While Hawkish FOMC minutes limited some of the risk appetite seen this week, further signs that inflation could be peaking in the eurozone and somewhat upbeat services data sent another wave of optimism across stocks. Domestically, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, in his first major speech of 2023, vowed to curb inflation, shore up the economy and reduce the national debt. British clothing retailer Next jumped more than 7% to lead the FTSE 100 after raising its pretax profit forecast for 2023. Miners Anglo American and Antofagasta were also among the top gainers, up roughly 4.3% and 3.1%, respectively.​

 

[its yourself]

There's no point going tit for tat on scandals and corruption, none of it is acceptable. But the UK doesn't have a monopoly on it

Never claimed the UK had. I have claimed it's extremely weak at enforcement of it though. Not a sign of an investigation in the UK yet.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Never claimed the UK had. I have claimed it's extremely weak at enforcement of it though. Not a sign of an investigation in the UK yet.

Fair comment but why post a link about corruption that isn't to do with Brexit in a Brexit thread?

 

[its yourself]

Fair comment but why post a link about corruption that isn't to do with Brexit in a Brexit thread?

Why not? Brexiters are happy to link to EU corruption. You did.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Never claimed the UK had. I have claimed it's extremely weak at enforcement of it though. Not a sign of an investigation in the UK yet.

There is.

PPE Medpro gave ‘invalid’ accreditation for gowns, UK government claims

Lawsuit alleges group linked to Conservative peer provided documentation from a company that denied issuing it

www.ft.com

 

[its yourself]

There is.

PPE Medpro gave ‘invalid’ accreditation for gowns, UK government claims

Lawsuit alleges group linked to Conservative peer provided documentation from a company that denied issuing it

www.ft.com

Civil suit. Not criminal.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Civil suit. Not criminal.

Step by step. Getting the money back is the important bit.

 

[its yourself]

Step by step. Getting the money back is the important bit.

No chance of that. Already offshore.

 

[Charlie Gill]

No chance of that. Already offshore.

All theatre then. At least the lawyers will get a few mil.

 

[its yourself]

It should be the in-house legal team. So millions are very unlikely.
Civil service pay.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Why not? Brexiters are happy to link to EU corruption. You did.

The procurement of PPE is not an EU matter, how the European parliament is run most definitely is

 

[Charlie Gill]

It should be the in-house legal team. So millions are very unlikely.
Civil service pay.

Civil service are putting a few hours in. From the article:

The government is seeking repayment of £122mn for the gowns along with £11.6mn for costs incurred as part of the case.