Builders / trades people on a day rate

[ffukedfarmer]

Would you expect to have to pay for tools and consumables such as a circular saw blade, screw driver bits and rubble sacks? It's not like I haven't got a good supply of used feed sacks

Just been handed a batch of invoices for materials, which I was expecting, but I wasn't expecting to have to replenish his tool box.

Where is the line drawn? Should I have to pay for oil and filters if the service light comes on in his van on the way here?!

 

[Still Farming]

Yer and their dinner ?

 

[Hilly]

Whats th hr rate ?

 

[Courier]

Day rate includes tools, cement mixer, screwdrivers, saws, boots, overalls etc. It does not include bags of plaster, screws and nails.

 

[Steevo]

Day rate includes tools, cement mixer, screwdrivers, saws, boots, overalls etc. It does not include bags of plaster, screws and nails.

+1

Materials, yes.
Tools, no.
Took consumables, no.
Sacks, not if you didn’t specify. Most builders ask what to do with the waste.....well, those that don’t just leave it where it dropped!

 

[ffukedfarmer]

Whats th hr rate ?

£200 per day, 8 - 4.

Day rate includes tools, cement mixer, screwdrivers, saws, boots, overalls etc. It does not include bags of plaster, screws and nails.

I'm happy to pay for the items on the invoices such as silicone, timber, pipe fittings etc. I won't even argue that it is highly doubtful that he has used 2 rolls of PTFE tape, or even a £3.99 set of paint roller sleeves.
But I think a £50 bill for a DeWalt circular saw blade and pack of bits is taking the pee.

Good to see that everyone is in agreement.

 

[d williams]

£200 per day, 8 - 4.



I'm happy to pay for the items on the invoices such as silicone, timber, pipe fittings etc. I won't even argue that it is highly doubtful that he has used 2 rolls of PTFE tape, or even a £3.99 set of paint roller sleeves.
But I think a £50 bill for a DeWalt circular saw blade and pack of bits is taking the pee.

Good to see that everyone is in agreement.

If you hired a saw to do job you would be charged for wear on the blade
As for drill bits he break them on granite?

 

[Still Farming]

Don't do day rate then ?
Ask for job quote and pay like that maybe !

 

[ffukedfarmer]

If you hired a saw to do job you would be charged for wear on the blade
As for drill bits he break them on granite?

So when I get someone in to cut my hedges I should pay for wear on the flails?

 

[Smith31]

Always work on a fix price not day rate.

You will be surprised how much quicker the job gets done and no arguing or stress for both parties.

 

[ffukedfarmer]

Don't do day rate then ?
Ask for job quote and pay like that maybe !

It wasn’t just one job, turned into 6 weeks of various jobs. It would have been hard to price them all individually.

 

[foxbox]

So when I get someone in to cut my hedges I should pay for wear on the flails?

In theory the chap cutting your hedges is charging you for wear on his flails in the price which I guess is what you're getting at? Totally agree with the above; materials I'd expect to pay for as an extra, standard tools and their consumables I wouldn't unless it was specifically agreed that you would (such as the need for a specialist something or other which you then have the option to keep afterwards). If you do end up paying for the saw blade I'd want to keep it to get another £47 worth of use out of in the future, along with all the other drill bits he hasn't knackered too.

 

[SilliamWhale]

If you bought the saw blade then they see if they give it back to you now.

 

[Lincs Lass]

If you hired a saw to do job you would be charged for wear on the blade

Hire a brick saw with a diamond disc ,you get charged by the mm of ware

 

[suffolksmallholder]

I would have priced for drill bits, driver bits & other 'consumables' like saw blades in the job. Day rate for site work is simple. Turn up on time. Work. Go home. All materials supplied. Get paid.
Pricing is a little different but if you're cutting farmers 'nail-free' (well I looked & there wasn't one in sight) timber & wreck your blade on the third third cut I'd then be asking for a new blade.
Be really careful here, it's a two way street & if you want the work done to a proficiant level please treat the tradesman with respect. Don't let him/her take the pee but good tools cost money & if they're worn out on your job they'll need replacing.
I didn't often walk but there were odd occasions when it was prudent. I have also got to 'finish' jobs where the fellow has had a re-think of his attitude & although not got the original contractor back has decided to treat the new guy with a little more kindnes & respent.
& yes if I was cutting hedges the price to do so would include wear on my flails! I wouldn't add it except there would be a clause for unexpected damage say hitting a stone wall that the land-owner/tenant hadn't mentioned. That's an important one.
SS

 

[ffukedfarmer]

In theory the chap cutting your hedges is charging you for wear on his flails in the price which I guess is what you're getting at? Totally agree with the above; materials I'd expect to pay for as an extra, standard tools and their consumables I wouldn't unless it was specifically agreed that you would (such as the need for a specialist something or other which you then have the option to keep afterwards). If you do end up paying for the saw blade I'd want to keep it to get another £47 worth of use out of in the future, along with all the other drill bits he hasn't knackered too.

That is what I am getting at - his daily rate isn't pure profit it includes an element of his tools, their wear and tear, consumables etc.

I like to think I am a reasonable person, if he needed to buy something out of the ordinary that he wouldn't use again then I would agree to pay for it if it couldn't be hired.

 

[bobk]

£200 per day, 8 - 4.



I'm happy to pay for the items on the invoices such as silicone, timber, pipe fittings etc. I won't even argue that it is highly doubtful that he has used 2 rolls of PTFE tape, or even a £3.99 set of paint roller sleeves.
But I think a £50 bill for a DeWalt circular saw blade and pack of bits is taking the pee.

Good to see that everyone is in agreement.

A dewalt blade is £15 , he's taking the the pi55 , time to go

 

[Still Farming]

It wasn’t just one job, turned into 6 weeks of various jobs. It would have been hard to price them all individually.

Cant be hard to price for them if charging items like that ?
Think P take is the stance ?

 

[kill]

£200 per day, 8 - 4.

I hope they didn't stop for breakfast, morning coffee, dinner and afternoon tea breaks etc. And of course texting, phoning and builders porn breaks

 

[ffukedfarmer]

A dewalt blade is £15 , he's taking the the pi55 , time to go

He just handed over the screwfix invoice.

I hope they didn't stop for breakfast, morning coffee, dinner and afternoon tea breaks etc. And of course texting, phoning and builders porn breaks

I was around for a lot of the time he was working here and have no complaints about him stringing out the job or taking excessive breaks.