Bull

[Ffarmwr bach]

I'm thinking of crossing my simmental suckler cows. What breed crosess well to produce high grade animals at 18 to 24 months?

 

[Haydn Lloyd]

Simmental x blue. Heifers make tidy cows for breeding.

 

[Samcowman]

What does your local market pay best for assuming selling as store.
I have had some Angus out of sim cows. End up really good fat animals and with a premium on top

 

[Thick Farmer]

Why cross a Sim?

 

[Cornish bob]

If cross on a blue you will get quite u grade heifers and steers easily finished by 18 months

 

[johnspeehs]

Depends how easy a life you want , Saler or limm would leave nice females, without too many calving problems hopefully, BB or AA will give you nice cattle if you are wanting to finish everything and Char will give you really good stores to sell but maybe more calving problems.

 

[milkloss]

ours are well crossed but some are 7/8 sim and we use a combo of sim and Charlie bulls. Don't have any problems calving although the white char calves are a bit wild which is odd.

 

[@dlm]

I agree with @Haydn Lloyd . Blues lims with steers would be similar. Char i would worry about weights maybe? But that depends on your system and the future plans of abattoirs. But the bb on a sim produces a serious breeding heifer/ cow. Generally, though obviously dependant on bull selection, they have milk galore as they would from those 2 breeds, good pelvic sizes, and we crossed these with a blonde and had serious quality calves. Sadly i only discovered this too late. after buying 20 sims 20 years ago when young and starting out with sucklers, and putting a blue over them , i sold calves as stores/ fat, no idea why but when sim cows were getting older i kept a few bb heifers from them and amazed by their offspring. Only kept an odd few more after that as cows run their course

 

[Agrivator]

Cross them with a Limousin if you want good calves which will sell well as stores or make good cows. Don't be put of by silly claims that Limousins are flighty. Most Limousin bulls nowadays are amongst the most docile of any breed.

 

[Optimus]

As said by the previous posts.BB,lim,AA an char will all do the job.or even a sim bull again?

Sims probably my favourite suckler breed cos you know what your going to get from it.sold some cattle this week.3 out of sim cows.Angus, BB an lim sire.all U grade around 400kg 21-24 month

 

[Optimus]

As said by the previous posts.BB,lim,AA an char will all do the job.or even a sim bull again?

Sims probably my favourite suckler breed cos you know what your going to get from it.sold some cattle this week.3 out of sim cows.Angus, BB an lim sire.all U grade around 400kg 21-24 month

 

[Wolds Beef]

Watched this thread with interest!! Another bull thread.!! Most people know what I am going to say!!! But I am not kidding that several people have said a Lincoln Red on a Simmental is a very good cross
as the Lincoln brings with a very good way of making very succulent beef.
WB

 

[Agrivator]

Watched this thread with interest!! Another bull thread.!! Most people know what I am going to say!!! But I am not kidding that several people have said a Lincoln Red on a Simmental is a very good cross
as the Lincoln brings with a very good way of making very succulent beef.
WB

Lincoln Reds are one of the most underrated breeds.

I would have no hesitation in using them over Aberdeen Angus, or Limousin or Simmentals.

The major difficulty is that most of the bull sales are very localised.

 

[Wolds Beef]

@Agrivator @Ffarmwr bach Well here is the perfect opportunity, the stock is still on farm. Bid at the online sale of Lincoln Red Cattle and collect the animals near you. Most of the vendors say they will help with delivery within a certain distance and if you want to collect you will actually see how your animal has been produced. I have sold 5 cracking heifers recently to a newly established herd in the county and the stockman and his boss openly admit they have bought animals in batches from farms where they have been able to see the stock. There are some cracking bulls for sale and if you are quick you could even see them in the flesh on a farm near you before buying.
WB
Where are you based, that goes for both of you!!

 

[GenuineRisk]

Blue. If you’re looking for a decent bull, please get in touch !
www.newpole.co.uk

 

[Poorbuthappy]

Cross them with a Limousin if you want good calves which will sell well as stores or make good cows. Don't be put of by silly claims that Limousins are flighty. Most Limousin bulls nowadays are amongst the most docile of any breed.

Don't think many dispute the pure bull can be docile, it's the resulting x that seems to bring out the loopiness
But of course there's good and bad in all breeds

 

[Agrivator]

Don't think many dispute the pure bull can be docile, it's the resulting x that seems to bring out the loopiness
But of course there's good and bad in all breeds

A rough dog on a farm will make sheep act wild.

A rough stockman will do the same with cattle.

 

[Poorbuthappy]

A rough dog on a farm will make sheep act wild.

A rough stockman will do the same with cattle.

Indeed, but when a farm buys, or breeds, several different breeds of cattle, it is often noticeable the difference in the breeds when they are all getting the same handling.

Admittedly 30 years ago, but farm i worked on bought a lot of calves and reared on the bucket, and also calved 200 odd sucklers.
It was very noticeable the Lims were nervous wild, the charolais were nasty wild if cornered/ provoked, and the sims were generally quieter.
All had the same handling.

 

[Wolds Beef]

Some Good Bulls still waiting for a bid on Lincoln Red online sale !!!
WB

 

[cows r us]

Indeed, but when a farm buys, or breeds, several different breeds of cattle, it is often noticeable the difference in the breeds when they are all getting the same handling.

Admittedly 30 years ago, but farm i worked on bought a lot of calves and reared on the bucket, and also calved 200 odd sucklers.
It was very noticeable the Lims were nervous wild, the charolais were nasty wild if cornered/ provoked, and the sims were generally quieter.
All had the same handling.

30 years is a long time ago. I think the lim breeders have made huge steps forward in terms of temprement.
Personally I would go for a lim. Charolais would get too heavy. I had the chance to talk with Jerry wulf a few years back. He breeds and flattens 75000 cattle in the states. In his trials lims were by far the best breed at converting feed into meat. He reconned non of the others came close. At the end of the day thats what we are trying to do