ollie989898
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Mind, you need to find someone to sell it to you for that yet.
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Mind, you need to find someone to sell it to you for that yet.
ollie989898
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It is very difficult to compare dairy compounds because the formulation of them can vary so widely. Small loads will smash you however as you are stuck with a single compartment on a wagon but you are still saving over some poor bloke who is in bags. I have known some people to feed straight maize gluten purely due to cost instead of an actual compound but you would need to seek nutritionist advice before doing that.
As cereal prices ease back, so will other materials, get a few quotes out of people from time to time so you know where the market is. If you feel the marketplace is falling (and should be principally because less concentrates are fed to stock during summer/May-Sept) then there is no need to rush around and get into a contract with anyone.
If you want to know what straights prices are like then you can just look at the Straights direct website?
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CEO from a cake firm supplied that info, and l can guarantee its correct, because they paid that to me, to settle a dispute, between us. And that wasn't a small firm either.
ollie989898
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That makes utterly no sense.
If there are cake companies out there making £30 to £40 a tonne profit on a delivered load of animal feedstuff then they must be doing something far better than the rest of the industry as it has been a low margin, high volume type of industry for decades.
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what will happen to w wheat, that has gone down, now, due to heavy rain, a problem l haven't come across before. Well forward, and l nearly put the sheep across it, and wish l had, but bottled it.
No fert applied, dd behind maize.
ollie989898
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What happens in the UK is only a minor ripple in respect of wheat prices: the UK is not a massive player in global commodity supplies. You've our harvest in the context of huge volumes of corn, rice, cereals and oilseeds grown in other parts of the world.
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who am l to argue ? We had a disagreement, that was their offer to settle it, for 1 year.
Their accounts department, really didn't like it, but had to back down, just before court, they disliked that even more, because they then had legal costs !
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gone down, as in flat, not price.
on price, l expect it to be volatile, quick price reaction, to any problem, weather, conflict etc. Our own rolled wheat, started at £360 ton, now down to £210. Rolled barley similar. The 100 ton of our own corn, replaced a lot of bought in conc.
cows have milked well on it, look well, and our milk proteins have been high all winter.
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Can you clarify that , you grew a crop of wheat ,rolled and fed it for £360 /ton and now you’re feeding same wheat but it’s only costing you £210 /ton ??????
Will Blackburn
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Opportunity cost.
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look at the price of wheat, you might notice the price from harvest to now, is somewhat different, at/around harvest £340 was achievable, now wheat is £180/90.
rolling charge remained the same
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Yes but if it’s cost you £360 /ton to grow and feed unless you’ve had a refund on your input costs it’s still £360/ ton
It likely wont have cost that last year though
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cost of growing it, was considerably less.
but, on here, l was told to cost wheat in, at market price. So my costings are what it would have cost me to buy in, and roll. Or price at harvest was around £320, some got more, some less. Dairy conc was around £400ton.
we could have sold at harvest, we chose not to. Wheat value has fallen some £160t from peak price, so the cost of our own wheat has fallen with it.
pretty immaterial really, we grew it to feed, not to sell. So todays value, £210, is what it would cost to buy in, and roll.
could cost it in other ways, but the answers the same, saved ourselves a lot of money, by replacing purchased feed.
I was referring to the £390 17 beef nut bulk blown. Sounds too dear.
ollie989898
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Again, depends on what is in it. Beef rations tended to be a fair bit cheaper than dairy because of the need for less soya content, etc.
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it was rather shocking when mills were forced to declare the ingredients in their rations.
straights included things like feather meal, dried poultry crap, sawdust and such like. We got caught up in a scandal, where our cake was adulterated by lead, mill had used a load of rejected product for human use, from a ship load contaminated by lead.
our milk was discarded for a month ? mill had to pay us, and dispose of the milk, as were a load of other farmers.
Then ingredients were listed in % inclusion, that has been down graded to just a list of ingredients, in order of inclusion. % of variance, from declared feed value, to actual, levels are rather generous, as well.
ollie989898
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What was used back in the day was hideous and should never have been fed to livestock although to be fair, it did work and people didn't die of starvation.
You can tell a lot from the order that feeds are declared in, or you can simply ask that they do not include stuff like PK although to be fair it does help with pelleting.
If you want quality it will never be dirt cheap, it's as simple as that.
lazy farmer
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Summer blend quote £271
Wheat feed/soya hulls
Wheat feed/soya hulls
ollie989898
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Watch the cereal price- if it is falling then fibre will fall also. Will you just do a layered load or is this a genuine blended product you intend to buy? Will anyone quote a contract price for May-September?