Cake Price Tracker

[lazy farmer]

Watch the cereal price- if it is falling then fibre will fall also. Will you just do a layered load or is this a genuine blended product you intend to buy? Will anyone quote a contract price for May-September?

Layered loads mixed on the dock side. Our price is May to sept

 

[smallholder99]

mills work on £30 to £40 a tonne profit.

transport cost is a big expense, we have been offered 'favourable' terms, for a full lorry load, and have been offered 'discount' for cake, if a part load, is close, and we will make the full lorry load up.

that's not so attractive, messes our monthly amounts up.

i saw forfarmers financial results few yrs ago, it was £450million profit on 9million tons or £50/ton

 

[ollie989898]

i saw forfarmers financial results few yrs ago, it was £450million profit on 9million tons or £50/ton

They also sell fertiliser, straights, etc- not just feed.

 

[Helpinghand]

if anyone is looking for a cheaper alternative to blends to feed buffer feed at grass or to replace some parlour cake, i hear Duynie Feed are selling a new blend. it would be an equivalent to a 15%CP dry blend but moist. Good value for money if you are in the midlands or south west.
sharing this as ive heard many are struggling with brewers grains, trafford gold etc. Duynie near on guarantee supply, might be useful for someone.

 

[smallholder99]

if anyone is looking for a cheaper alternative to blends to feed buffer feed at grass or to replace some parlour cake, i hear Duynie Feed are selling a new blend. it would be an equivalent to a 15%CP dry blend but moist. Good value for money if you are in the midlands or south west.
sharing this as ive heard many are struggling with brewers grains, trafford gold etc. Duynie near on guarantee supply, might be useful for someone.

being moist does it need to be a good bit cheaper than dry feed to cover work of sealing it or any waste

 

[coomoo]

if anyone is looking for a cheaper alternative to blends to feed buffer feed at grass or to replace some parlour cake, i hear Duynie Feed are selling a new blend. it would be an equivalent to a 15%CP dry blend but moist. Good value for money if you are in the midlands or south west.
sharing this as ive heard many are struggling with brewers grains, trafford gold etc. Duynie near on guarantee supply, might be useful for someone.

Stopped feeding what they were offering as they got carried away on price. Good company to deal with tho.

 

[Enry]

i saw forfarmers financial results few yrs ago, it was £450million profit on 9million tons or £50/ton

Devil is in the detail.... that was not profit.... E456m operating expenses to come off that.... E30m profit......Which I'd say is a pretty crap ROC!

 

[Helpinghand]

being moist does it need to be a good bit cheaper than dry feed to cover work of sealing it or any waste

My answer would be no, and the people who use moist feeds all year round would mostly agree because you are still going to ger waste with a dry blend, you are going to spill some on the floor and drive over it. in regards to waste It depends on a couple things. First thing would be how quickly you use a load to see if any sheeting is actually required. From what ive been told and have seen first hand, your Trafford Gold, Selco Plus and general run of the main Brewers dont need to be sheeted if you are getting through a load in max 3-4 weeks but you do have to stack it and pat it down with the loader bucket. This blend from Duynie wouldn't be any different, the main difference is the guarantee of AYR supply.

Value for money at the end of the day, if on a DM basis its saving you £10-20 pound a ton and more than a dry blend, why wouldn't you buy any of the above. The main products in these moist feeds are very high quality, much more rumen friendly than a dry blend and more palatable to the animal.

 

[smallholder99]

My answer would be no, and the people who use moist feeds all year round would mostly agree because you are still going to ger waste with a dry blend, you are going to spill some on the floor and drive over it. in regards to waste It depends on a couple things. First thing would be how quickly you use a load to see if any sheeting is actually required. From what ive been told and have seen first hand, your Trafford Gold, Selco Plus and general run of the main Brewers dont need to be sheeted if you are getting through a load in max 3-4 weeks but you do have to stack it and pat it down with the loader bucket. This blend from Duynie wouldn't be any different, the main difference is the guarantee of AYR supply.

Value for money at the end of the day, if on a DM basis its saving you £10-20 pound a ton and more than a dry blend, why wouldn't you buy any of the above. The main products in these moist feeds are very high quality, much more rumen friendly than a dry blend and more palatable to the animal.

£150 to £180/ton for a 45%dm product, is this good value for money

 

[Jdunn55]

£150 to £180/ton for a 45%dm product, is this good value for money

Wheat is £194/t and 90%dm...

 

[Helpinghand]

Wheat is £194/t and 90%dm...

so if wheat is £194/tn at 90% DM what are you paying for you oopf blend and parlour cake?

 

[Helpinghand]

£150 to £180/ton for a 45%dm product, is this good value for money

Thats a big price shift but yes and no. it depends on what you are currently feeding.
if you are feeding a 18% dry blend and KW have offered you Trafford Gold, those two products are comparable to each other because they have the same protein. With cost if they have offered you it at £150/tn that puts the value of the 18% dry blend compared to TG at £261/tn. So if your current dry blend is more expensive than £261/tn then the moist feed is the better value for money, if your 18% dry blend is less than £261/tn then don't even consider that particular moist feed.
but on the flip side if you are feeding a 25%CP dry blend and you are offered one of these moist feeds, which are all between 17-20%CP, even if they are better value for money they will make your ration unbalanced because you will then lack protein, assuming your ration was balanced in the first place.

when comparing feeds. If you want to reduce your feed costs and KW or Duynie or whoever offers you a moist feed that is better value for money than your dry blend and you say, well wheat or rapemeal are cheaper so i wont buy it, and you aren't feeding straight wheat or rapemeal in your ration in the first place, why are you even comparing them. Otherwise everyone right now would be feeding straight wheat or barley through the parlours, but you cant because you'd kill your flipping cows.

 

[som farmer]

its all about balancing the ration, to ensure its correct, nutritionally, and financially.

we have gone back to feeding our own wheat, always think we should be feeding more............. But the computer says no. However, what it has meant, we balanced with straight soya, which was the most cost effective way, and the ration has two top quality components. The cows responded with excellent protein, fertility and yield.
But the cake reps don't like it !

 

[Helpinghand]

its all about balancing the ration, to ensure its correct, nutritionally, and financially.

we have gone back to feeding our own wheat, always think we should be feeding more............. But the computer says no. However, what it has meant, we balanced with straight soya, which was the most cost effective way, and the ration has two top quality components. The cows responded with excellent protein, fertility and yield.
But the cake reps don't like it !

I bet they dont and in your case comparing any feed offered against wheat and soya is exactly right. And also in your case, as an example, a moist feed like a Trafford gold etc would only play a part as a forage replacer really.

out of curiosity does it make a difference to the cows if you roll or grind the wheat ? if you have tried both that is.

 

[Jamer]

Thats a big price shift but yes and no. it depends on what you are currently feeding.
if you are feeding a 18% dry blend and KW have offered you Trafford Gold, those two products are comparable to each other because they have the same protein. With cost if they have offered you it at £150/tn that puts the value of the 18% dry blend compared to TG at £261/tn. So if your current dry blend is more expensive than £261/tn then the moist feed is the better value for money, if your 18% dry blend is less than £261/tn then don't even consider that particular moist feed.
but on the flip side if you are feeding a 25%CP dry blend and you are offered one of these moist feeds, which are all between 17-20%CP, even if they are better value for money they will make your ration unbalanced because you will then lack protein, assuming your ration was balanced in the first place.

when comparing feeds. If you want to reduce your feed costs and KW or Duynie or whoever offers you a moist feed that is better value for money than your dry blend and you say, well wheat or rapemeal are cheaper so i wont buy it, and you aren't feeding straight wheat or rapemeal in your ration in the first place, why are you even comparing them. Otherwise everyone right now would be feeding straight wheat or barley through the parlours, but you cant because you'd kill your flipping cows.

Your moist feed has to go through a wagon though. Same as straight wheat and rape…

 

[som farmer]

I bet they dont and in your case comparing any feed offered against wheat and soya is exactly right. And also in your case, as an example, a moist feed like a Trafford gold etc would only play a part as a forage replacer really.

out of curiosity does it make a difference to the cows if you roll or grind the wheat ? if you have tried both that is.

we grind it, or rather the mill/mix man does, whether there's any difference, couldn't say.

a few years ago, we had a supply of cheap barley, rolled and fed. We didn't have quite enough, so ordered a 'last' load off the feed mill.

they rung up, and said they couldn't roll it, but had cracked it, was that ok.

well it turned up, and the rep was out first thing the next day. First, it was an absolutely terrible sample of barley, small pinched grains, really a sample that would have attracted severe deductions. Secondly it wasn't really 'cracked' at all, mostly un touched whole small grains.

Fair dues to the rep, he agreed to pay for re-milling it, and a substantial reduction in price, he agreed it was a bad sample, embarrassingly so.

all fine, but left me wondering, what actually goes into some of the rations. That grain came through the mill, so was acceptable to them ..................

but as a rule, reps don't encourage home grown grain.

we used to feed a lot of sugar beet, as a rough guide, its feed value is similar to rolled barley, so always compared the price difference, we haven't bought sugar beet for a long time.

 

[Helpinghand]

we grind it, or rather the mill/mix man does, whether there's any difference, couldn't say.

a few years ago, we had a supply of cheap barley, rolled and fed. We didn't have quite enough, so ordered a 'last' load off the feed mill.

they rung up, and said they couldn't roll it, but had cracked it, was that ok.

well it turned up, and the rep was out first thing the next day. First, it was an absolutely terrible sample of barley, small pinched grains, really a sample that would have attracted severe deductions. Secondly it wasn't really 'cracked' at all, mostly un touched whole small grains.

Fair dues to the rep, he agreed to pay for re-milling it, and a substantial reduction in price, he agreed it was a bad sample, embarrassingly so.

all fine, but left me wondering, what actually goes into some of the rations. That grain came through the mill, so was acceptable to them ..................

but as a rule, reps don't encourage home grown grain.

we used to feed a lot of sugar beet, as a rough guide, its feed value is similar to rolled barley, so always compared the price difference, we haven't bought sugar beet for a long time.

because of many story's similar to yours i hear quite a few people are moving away from feeding dry blends in the TMR's and going back to straights and home grown cereals (for those that can grow them). I know they say a variety of ingredients is better for the animal but for those traditional grass based system that feed mostly through the parlour then a straight or two in the TRM are just as good to balance out a ration as the cow will get plenty of variety through the parlour cake.
thanks for sharing.

 

[Scholsey]

Decent 18% cakes seem to be 365ish going forward

 

[crashbox]

Decent 18% cakes seem to be 365ish going forward

Wow that sounds like strong money to me

 

[som farmer]

Wow that sounds like strong money to me

the word decent, might be a clue.