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[Vader]

Are those wayleave payments really going to make a difference to the viability of your business? They were always a pittance anyway iirc (not received any in recent years tbh).

I realise everyone has to be ‘in the gang’ on here by running down the NFU, but really? Wayleaves?

Simply another thing on the list...
If the nfu wS so great, surely membership would be growing?

 

[J 1177]

You are kidding? I don’t receive any wayleave payments for weaving round poles here.
Knowing the huge payments that we received back home though, it would be replaced by selling a couple of extra lambs a year. I know what my energy would be better spent on.

Its the drip drip tho, at the time every fecking thing was going up in the world, from fert prices to mobile phone contracts, everything, but the nfu manage to end up with a cut in our wayleve payments. It effected members and none nfu members. It just shows how f**king inept the NFU are whilst battersby does a farewell tour like Elton John.

 

[neilo]

I take it you haven't had any trouble with your electric cist bills in recent yrs then i take it no spurious standing charge claims of £1 a day or more for some meters and huge increases in kwh cost ,
plenty of examples on here if you feel the need to update your limited info .

why do you think that poles and stays isolating junction boxes (used a fair bit ) etc payment's (with all usual the rights to entry for maintenance and repair included) indexed linked ?

Yes, my electricity supplier are tw*ts too. I have plenty of poles requiring regular access, but I have never received any wayleaves (aren’t FBTs great?).
My electricity supplier playing silly buggers has nothing to do with wayleave payments though, and the pittance received for them back home was neither here nor there tbh.
I would suggest your business is in dire straights if the leccy wayleave payments are the difference between sink and swim.

 

[Trutti]

You are kidding? I don’t receive any wayleave payments for weaving round poles here.
Knowing the huge payments that we received back home though, it would be replaced by selling a couple of extra lambs a year. I know what my energy would be better spent on.

Ohl/poles. We get paid approx £32 per distribution pole. Not allowed to irrigate within 30 m each side. On transmission pylons that moves to 90m. Payment for a transmission pylon of 8m side is less than £400.00 iiirc. Our risk if we work underneath or between them. On bed root crops we are up to £700 per pole for some crops. On one farm we have 70 poles…I pity the poor sods that are getting the new super pylons in the country…no help from NFU. You need to get your head together.

 

[kfpben]

So the NFU is Defra now then???? So Janet Hughes didn't spend inordinate hours on here engaging with normal farmers?? I cannot believe the NFU are now claiming this, so Red diesel rebate, Badger cull and now SFI and Stewardship. So when are you going to stop penalising unassured grain into mills, yet allow imported non assured??????????

No the NFU is not Defra, which is why I used the term negotiation. I met Janet Hughes twice too, together with other ‘normal farmers’. She toured the country meeting with farmers. As far as I remember on here she got a fair chunk of borderline abuse.

However, when government asks for a call for evidence anecdotes from farmers are not sufficient. You need pages of researched, technical evidence backed up by fact and science. Who else will provide that for farming if not the NFU? The NSA might do it for sheep, RABDF for dairy etc. but there isn’t anyone else who can currently perform this function for all ag.

As for red diesel- do you think the Treasury would say no to more tax without a watertight case? Badgers- it’s not exactly a vote winner to kill them is it!? Again, very sound scientific evidence required, provided by the NFU.

 

[Raider112]

Are those wayleave payments really going to make a difference to the viability of your business? They were always a pittance anyway iirc (not received any in recent years tbh).

I realise everyone has to be ‘in the gang’ on here by running down the NFU, but really? Wayleaves?

We have been members for as long as I can remember, my father before me.
A couple of years ago I would never have imagined we would leave, I would like to think that the time comes when we could consider re-joining if things change.
Support for red tractor started an itch I couldn't scratch, the underhand way GFC was brought in was the last straw and it was compounded by ushering in the supermarket 'basket'.

We need someone who is supposed to look after our interests and is paid handsomely for it, to at least pay lip service to our wishes.

The fact that they are actively working against us is unforgiveable, and frankly, indefensible.

 

[neilo]

Simply another thing on the list...
If the nfu wS so great, surely membership would be growing?

Don’t spoil the fun, apparently wayleave payments are a huge income stream for some and make a massive difference. They have always been a joke, just a slightly poorer one now.

As for your membership question, I have no idea what their membership figures are doing, aside from the thirty or so that have posted on here to say they’ve left this year. Only one person has ever tried to (erroneously) quote any membership figures for them, but 8 would guess they are certainly dropping.
I’d likely drop out of NFU England, if it was a separate entity to NFU Cymru.

 

[Vader]

No the NFU is not Defra, which is why I used the term negotiation. I met Janet Hughes twice too, together with other ‘normal farmers’. She toured the country meeting with farmers. As far as I remember on here she got a fair chunk of borderline abuse.

However, when government asks for a call for evidence anecdotes from farmers are not sufficient. You need pages of researched, technical evidence backed up by fact and science. Who else will provide that for farming if not the NFU? The NSA might do it for sheep, RABDF for dairy etc. but there isn’t anyone else who can currently perform this function for all ag.

As for red diesel- do you think the Treasury would say no to more tax without a watertight case? Badgers- it’s not exactly a vote winner to kill them is it!? Again, very sound scientific evidence required, provided by the NFU.

I met Janet, she came to my farm. I have a zoom meeting with her. All from her being on here as it was where first contact was made.
If the NFU is so good at science and helping farmers, why have they not got the Gov to use GWP* instead of GWP100..?

 

[Sonoftheheir]

We have been members for as long as I can remember, my father before me.
A couple of years ago I would never have imagined we would leave, I would like to think that the time comes when we could consider re-joining if things change.
Support for red tractor started an itch I couldn't scratch, the underhand way GFC was brought in was the last straw and it was compounded by ushering in the supermarket 'basket'.

We need someone who is supposed to look after our interests and is paid handsomely for it, to at least pay lip service to our wishes.

The fact that they are actively working against us is unforgiveable, and frankly, indefensible.

We probably joined the NFU when it started, but enough is enough!

 

[neilo]

Ohl/poles. We get paid approx £32 per distribution pole. Not allowed to irrigate within 30 m each side. On transmission pylons that moves to 90m. Payment for a transmission pylon of 8m side is less than £400.00 iiirc. Our risk if we work underneath or between them. On bed root crops we are up to £700 per pole for some crops. On one farm we have 70 poles…I pity the poor sods that are getting the new super pylons in the country…no help from NFU. You need to get your head together.

I feel for you, having so many poles to run round must be shite. I’m guessing you have a sizeable farm if you have that many poles and pylons to work round. Is the wayleave payment you receive a huge part of your farm profit, and more pertinent than issues like imports coming in cheaply, produced used chems that are banned here?

 

[Trutti]

Don’t spoil the fun, apparently wayleave payments are a huge income stream for some and make a massive difference. They have always been a joke, just a slightly poorer one now.

As for your membership question, I have no idea what their membership figures are doing, aside from the thirty or so that have posted on here to say they’ve left this year. Only one person has ever tried to (erroneously) quote any membership figures for them, but 8 would guess they are certainly dropping.
I’d likely drop out of NFU England, if it was a separate entity to NFU Cymru.

Thats the point, there is no income stream from wayleaves, it is massive forgone turnover and massive increase in costs for certain crops. Try growing root crops with a three bed system and perhaps 50 passes per season…it soon mounts up….never mind the huge issues with working under power lines with modern machinery. Yet..you are taking the p*ss…as is the NFU.

 

[Sonoftheheir]

I didn’t know anything about theNFU involvement with wayleave payments?!

 

[Trutti]

I feel for you, having so many poles to run round must be shite. I’m guessing you have a sizeable farm if you have that many poles and pylons to work round. Is the wayleave payment you receive a huge part of your farm profit, and more pertinent than issues like imports coming in cheaply, produced used chems that are banned here?

You are not listening…we get paid £32per pole….thanks to the NFU. Yes, it’s a sizeable farm and we crop neighbours too. It’s all important, but the actual dead loss around poles is a serious consideration….and NFU just give in.

 

[kfpben]

I met Janet, she came to my farm. I have a zoom meeting with her. All from her being on here as it was where first contact was made.
If the NFU is so good at science and helping farmers, why have they not got the Gov to use GWP* instead of GWP100..?

I believe that is now NFU policy- sadly the UN uses GWP100 so most governments take their cue from the UN. A work in progress.

 

[Spencer]

I didn’t know anything about theNFU involvement with wayleave payments?!

They negotiated us a lower payment

 

[J 1177]

They negotiated us a lower payment

But neilo thinks it doesnt matter.

 

[Vader]

I believe that is now NFU policy- sadly the UN uses GWP100 so most governments take their cue from the UN. A work in progress.

Yes think it's nfu policy after BFU had been pushing it for nearly a year with AHDB and giving them data and scientific facts on it. Which I think they then told the nfu about....

 

[Spencer]

But neilo thinks it doesnt matter.

It doesn’t effect him so he’s ok with it you see..

 

[neilo]

I met Janet, she came to my farm. I have a zoom meeting with her. All from her being on here as it was where first contact was made.
If the NFU is so good at science and helping farmers, why have they not got the Gov to use GWP* instead of GWP100..?

You had direct access, on several occasions. Why didn’t you get them to use GMP* instead of GMP100?

 

[kfpben]

Yes think it's nfu policy after BFU had been pushing it for nearly a year with AHDB and giving them data and scientific facts on it. Which I think they then told the nfu about....

We have been discussing it and researching the science for several years.
Important to be aware of any unintended consequences, as is so often the case with climate issues.