carbon audit

[Clive]

Am never going to do a carbon audit till I see an equally honest one for the cars on the road and the aircraft in the sky. Once I see them I will do one.Farming is just a soft touch and the soaring price of all these carbon producing inputs will probably lead to a big reduction in their use and as a result less carbon released. Daughter with Phd in astrophysics backs me up on this. Already use lots of red/white clover, old fasioned 7 course rotation, small car to reduce my carbon footprint.

why not audit an sell sequestration ? cars and planes will never be able to do that

 

[Still Farming]

can you sell your sequestered carbon or is your buyer stealing your carbon ? they will claiming they are nett zero based on YOUR sequestration i suspect

you have no obligation to be nett zero - no business in any industry does yet

Yet - is the key word?

 

[Clive]

Yet - is the key word?

so take the money whilst you still can and in doing so create a market beyond the food chain that sets a proper value

alternative really is theft by processors and retailers


only farmers can sequester - if others manage to steal and take credit / value for that we really are a lost cause

 

[DaveGrohl]

so take the money whilst you still can and in doing so create a market beyond the food chain that sets a proper value

alternative really is theft by processors and retailers


only farmers can sequester - if others manage to steal and take credit / value for that we really are a lost cause

The very fact that I grow a crop and sell it off farm means my crops are taking CO2 out of the air. The customer then releases all that carbon again, not me. You need to monetise this @Clive because from where I’m standing that would bring some sanity to the carbon debate around food. At the moment this simple fact is ignored completely but it’s the biggy.

 

[Clive]

imagine you invented a machine that extracted carbon from air and turned it into something people can eat

such a machine would make you millions and maybe even win a Nobel prize !

 

[Still Farming]

imagine you invented a machine that extracted carbon from air and turned it into something people can eat

such a machine would make you millions and maybe even win a Nobel prize !

Or weapons and kills everyone?

 

[topground]

imagine you invented a machine that extracted carbon from air and turned it into something people can eat

such a machine would make you millions and maybe even win a Nobel prize !

Getting close here with a CO2 based ruminant, vegan feedstock. Been in development for millions of years and currently ignored by scientists in the pay of global corporations. Known here as cattle.

 

[robs1]

The very fact that I grow a crop and sell it off farm means my crops are taking CO2 out of the air. The customer then releases all that carbon again, not me. You need to monetise this @Clive because from where I’m standing that would bring some sanity to the carbon debate around food. At the moment this simple fact is ignored completely but it’s the biggy.

But how much is released in producing that food, ie making the fert,chems diesel and machines we use, I have no idea which side of the CO2 balance sheet wheat production would fall but if it's on the wrong side who are we going to pay to use up their spare credits.

 

[DaveGrohl]

But how much is released in producing that food, ie making the fert,chems diesel and machines we use, I have no idea which side of the CO2 balance sheet wheat production would fall but if it's on the wrong side who are we going to pay to use up their spare credits.

Everyone is obsessed with all of those things already. And carbon calculators already take those numbers in. What they don’t do is look at the other side of the seesaw properly. No other industry has anything to put on the other side of the seesaw, apart from forestry.

Do you not want any credit for all that CO2 absorption? Fine, I’ll have yours then.

 

[Nearly]

Fert production has a massive C bootprint. They are already trying to use us to offset that even though they get paid (twice ) to catch and sell the CO2.
Each stage of the process should stand alone and farmers can hold their heads high as we catch atmospheric CO2 and trap it in food.

 

[robs1]

Everyone is obsessed with all of those things already. And carbon calculators already take those numbers in. What they don’t do is look at the other side of the seesaw properly. No other industry has anything to put on the other side of the seesaw, apart from forestry.

Do you not want any credit for all that CO2 absorption? Fine, I’ll have yours then.

What I want is an accurate calculation of exactly how much my farming is absorbing I can then decide what I wish to do with it. At the moment all I see is another potential ppi scandal,

 

[DaveGrohl]

What I want is an accurate calculation of exactly how much my farming is absorbing I can then decide what I wish to do with it. At the moment all I see is another potential ppi scandal,

And that’s what I said. We are apparently given some small credit from what I gather, but they don’t count the absorption of CO2 at the most basic level through photosynthesis.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Fert production has a massive C bootprint. They are already trying to use us to offset that even though they get paid (twice ) to catch and sell the CO2.
Each stage of the process should stand alone and farmers can hold their heads high as we catch atmospheric CO2 and trap it in food.

Quite. Fert is an awkward one. We demand it. They produce it. I’m happy to take a portion of responsibility for that, but it has to be equitable and not counted twice. Quite how you decide the proportion is another matter. You can be sure we’d end up taking too much of a proportion because our representatives are so utterly clueless and not working for us.

 

[7610 super q]

Raising moisture level from 15 to 16% would be a huge saving in diesel for a start.

 

[Nearly]

Tonnes grain / milk / meat sold minus tonnes fert bought, tonnes fuel / kwh electric bought.
Not a difficult sum surely?

 

[robs1]

And that’s what I said. We are apparently given some small credit from what I gather, but they don’t count the absorption of CO2 at the most basic level through photosynthesis.

It's a balance, only an idiot thinks farming doesnt absorb CO2 but we are also responsible for a lot of emissions, do you know how much emissions your fert is responsible for, we cant honestly sell credits until we do count our emissions, all I've seen is people claim they know how much is absorbed and sell that, to me that is dishonest, if some have done a honest balance sheet and sell the difference then that is different

 

[Nearly]

Raising moisture level from 15 to 16% would be a huge saving in diesel for a start.

Spoken like a true barley baron.

 

[robs1]

Tonnes grain / milk / meat sold minus tonnes fert bought, tonnes fuel / kwh electric bought.
Not a difficult sum surely?

If it was so simple . For instance what type of fert, how is your electric generated, how often do you reseed and cause a release of stored CO2, how often does the vet visit etc etc

 

[DaveGrohl]

It's a balance, only an idiot thinks farming doesnt absorb CO2 but we are also responsible for a lot of emissions, do you know how much emissions your fert is responsible for, we cant honestly sell credits until we do count our emissions, all I've seen is people claim they know how much is absorbed and sell that, to me that is dishonest, if some have done a honest balance sheet and sell the difference then that is different

Only an idiot? What exactly do you think all these carbon calculators are about? And I'm talking carbon calculators across every industry.

 

[Clive]

Fert production has a massive C bootprint. They are already trying to use us to offset that even though they get paid (twice ) to catch and sell the CO2.
Each stage of the process should stand alone and farmers can hold their heads high as we catch atmospheric CO2 and trap it in food.

Fert manufacture C. footprint is their C footprint NOT FARMERS - or are you suggesting that Yara (Europe biggest commercial gas user) are nett zero simply because if we didn't buy their product they wouldn't exist ........... on similar logic EVERY part of the food chain is nett zero as it's all the consumers fault for eating !

each part of the chain has to account for their own footprint, input suppliers and our processor / retailer buyers ......... as farmers are Uniquely the only part of the chain that can actually remove Carbon you start to see why the rest of the food chain has decided to try their best to take that from us