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Carbon Credits what value ?
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This should be the opening line from anyone speaking to the media. Instead of "We do accept that we need to cut emissions" which is the current opener from the NFU.
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ours, Wyke, are moving in that direction, having a digester on site, for the cheese factory, a natural progression, sustainability bonus, 1ppl, relatively easy to meet now, certain it will get progressively harder, as time goes by. Arla, have arla garden.There was a thread a month or so ago where Clive was selling his.
Not ofsetting, just the sequestration of the growing crop.
I think the notion that we are responsible for our own carbon and that of our suppliers has merit unfortunately
There is also a dairy or 2 that pay a bonus for reducing your carbon footprint YOY.
It is the way things are going, and with carbon sequestration, industry has successfully pointed the finger at modern farming, and farting livestock, and yet, they will try and shaft us, by offering peanuts for 'credits', and they know, farming can absorb a lot of carbon, and with livestock, is one of the best solutions to the problem
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Share of global methane emissions, using data from Monday's IPCC report.
The share in the UK will be somewhat different though.
Ban fresh water then
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Your FiT supplier has already done that (selling RoC's to "offset" fossil fuelled generation showing it to be sold as "carbon neutral").
Greenwash writ large.
The UK has about 1% of the total cattle population and uses practices which result in half the emissions on average. I bet India aren’t reducing their cattle numbers!
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It's a conundrum. Rising GLOBAL livestock numbers ARE increasing warning.
This rising numbers are NOT in the UK.
Cutting UK numbers without equal falls in demand just increases production abroad (as we import the shortfall) where the real issue is.
But methane disperses to a fair degree around the globe (not quite true, the levels are higher where the animal numbers are higher) so its arguable that cuts here may help a bit.
Should we cut our herd/ flock even more to reduce warming?
The answer depends on what your personal agenda is it seems.
The bigger issue here with methane is unmanaged landfill venting, mains gas leaks and venting from the fossil fuel industry. This should all be targeted hard imho before anyone thinks of cutting UK ruminant livestock numbers faster.
This rising numbers are NOT in the UK.
Cutting UK numbers without equal falls in demand just increases production abroad (as we import the shortfall) where the real issue is.
But methane disperses to a fair degree around the globe (not quite true, the levels are higher where the animal numbers are higher) so its arguable that cuts here may help a bit.
Should we cut our herd/ flock even more to reduce warming?
The answer depends on what your personal agenda is it seems.
The bigger issue here with methane is unmanaged landfill venting, mains gas leaks and venting from the fossil fuel industry. This should all be targeted hard imho before anyone thinks of cutting UK ruminant livestock numbers faster.
There would be a great deal more waste in landfill without livestock currently
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Note to self: i must find methane emission trend figures by sector for the last 10 years, specific to the UK, as this dictates our actual warming impact. I suspect it would show UK livestock as COOLING the planet while the other sectors mentioned above warmed it.
If 'wild animals' are 0%, why isn't 'enteric fermentation and manure' 0% ?
( And, as an aside, why are termites 1% )
The issue that your post misses and many commentators do is that the livestock are producing food and when you measure the nutrient density of that beef it is one of the most efficient producers of that food , below is a slide produced at a UN conference showing the carbon efficiency of beef.
Don't sell your carbon credits to anyone (at least not just yet) It's a trap.
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fit and rocs are separate schemes,i will have to read through as i havent seen mention of carbon credits on fit agreementsYour FiT supplier has already done that (selling RoC's to "offset" fossil fuelled generation showing it to be sold as "carbon neutral").
Greenwash writ large.
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The stinking most polluted companies be after us all soon to mitigate their sorrows?
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- South Wales UK
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Agreed. I made that same point this morning but couldn't recall which post I made it in. The methane emitted by UK ruminants is
a) short term cycling of atmospheric carbon molecules
b) creating high value human edible food in the process
c) not contributing to climate warming due to the slowly falling number of ruminant livestock in the UK
d) in many cases, sequestering carbon in the soils of the pasture they graze due to the way they graze
By comparison the methane emitted in the UK by mains leakage or venting from the oil and gas industry is a side effect of the major issue that has led to human induced climate change, that is fossil fuel extraction.
The methane leaking from many UK landfill sites (including a 300 acre one right opposite here) is entirely due to poor waste management and ineffective regulation.
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Anyone made an EASY to Use APP yet???
Dragons den???
Dragons den???
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you are, of course correct.
but it is politically easier to blame farming, than tell people they can't fly off on holiday, they cant use fossil fuels to drive about, and everything they buy, will increase in cost, simply because everything in this country, is moved by derv/petrol, and to curb emissions, transport costs have to rise, not even sure l would want to say about waste management. And for what ? On the global chart, we are probably near the top of best countries. Those at the bottom, only pay lip service to the problem, and it is going to take something, that is absolutely terrible, to get them to change.
In the meantime, our poor old shoulders, will have to carry the burden, because we are an easy target.
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An article looking at the robustness of current soil carbon certification schemes that's worth a read:
carbonplan.org
A buyer’s guide to soil carbon offsets – CarbonPlan
Lessons learned from a systematic review of 14 protocols for soil carbon offsets.
carbonplan.org