Carrying on hoping for the best.

[Greythundercloudys]

Today at Stirling, where it was a ewe sale, everyone was saying the same think are these sheep dear or cheap all depending on brexit day, maybe everyone has there heads in the sand, but breeding sheep are a good enough trade for all this uncertainty and the price of lmbs. Probably this talk is the same all over the UK?.

 

[ewefool]

What was trade like for breeders at cally today

 

[Greythundercloudys]

Bf, 40/50, aged mules 70/100, mule gimmers 110+. So dear enough if your buying. As ally said to me the fat price for ewes will keep the trade up. But the fat yesterday was bad, 150 average, seamingly there are wanting lighter lmbs again, and still to many store type lmbs getn sold in the fat ring, l think the market should say to folk if they haven't the finish on them sell them stores.

 

[gone up the hill]

Today at Stirling, where it was a ewe sale, everyone was saying the same think are these sheep dear or cheap all depending on brexit day, maybe everyone has there heads in the sand, but breeding sheep are a good enough trade for all this uncertainty and the price of lmbs. Probably this talk is the same all over the UK?.

Breeders have been very dear the last few weeks compared to the returns from cull ewes/ store/ prime lambs let alone the uncertainty surrounding brexit and no one seems to know why they are so dear!

A couple of reasons could be 1: people have culled hard and want a younger flock, 2 : people are restocking after cutting numbers last year due to the forage situation and 3 : people are quitting the beef job and going into/increasing ewe numbers instead.

 

[Mule37]

Bf, 40/50, aged mules 70/100, mule gimmers 110+. So dear enough if your buying. As ally said to me the fat price for ewes will keep the trade up. But the fat yesterday was bad, 150 average, seamingly there are wanting lighter lmbs again, and still to many store type lmbs getn sold in the fat ring, l think the market should say to folk if they haven't the finish on them sell them stores.

A lot of markets don’t give farmers a choice on which ring they run through, know a few that handle the lambs as they come off the trailers and sort them appropriately.. often a couple farmers chuntering there lambs have been put in the stores but if there not fit there not fit simples....

 

[jendan]

Today at Stirling, where it was a ewe sale, everyone was saying the same think are these sheep dear or cheap all depending on brexit day, maybe everyone has there heads in the sand, but breeding sheep are a good enough trade for all this uncertainty and the price of lmbs. Probably this talk is the same all over the UK?.

All the sheep sales i have been to recently(includes Hexham tup sale today) it just seems as if folk think everything is going to carry on the same,brexit or no brexit,deal or no deal.Wether that is just head in the sand,or everyone is just fed up with it i dont know.There was no lack of confidence with the tups today.One chap i usually buy off,nice Tex x Beltex,i never got a bid in as they averaged £1000.

 

[Greythundercloudys]

Yes, l agree, everyone thinks it's going to be the same after brexit, and yes ewes today were starting where l was wanting them to stop, very strange times in the sheep rings,

 

[spin cycle]

beef exodus like guth says perhaps.....a low price cow still buys several ewes....those ewes will have lambs in under six months.....fat lambs 4 months after......meanwhile a suckler has only just calved

 

[Estate fencing.]

I don't think breeding sheep are very dear, just not as cheap as last year. I have sold mule theaves and averaged £115 and bought there replacement running lambs from Skipton for £70 on Tuesday.
My Suffolk cross mule fat lambs made £76 last week so I replace them with mule ewe lambs easy and pay for the haulage to get them home.

 

[Downtrodden Dad]

We always used to say a shearling should be 2 fat lambs price wise. The week I bought my replacements I was getting 81 for lambs and paid 135 so are they cheap who knows.
I am running as many sheep as normal because whatever happens next year my rent and bills will not be paid if I have nothing to sell. And if things are OK we'll be millionaires Rodney.

 

[Amcnab]

Everyone anticipating headage payments returning

 

[Greythundercloudys]

I can't see that returning, somehow.

 

[Ysgythan]

Today at Stirling, where it was a ewe sale, everyone was saying the same think are these sheep dear or cheap all depending on brexit day, maybe everyone has there heads in the sand, but breeding sheep are a good enough trade for all this uncertainty and the price of lmbs. Probably this talk is the same all over the UK?.

Mule ewe lambs were well up on the year in Builth. If Brexit makes the job turn to sh!t then paying £20 over the odds on some ewe lambs will be the least of our concerns.

 

[Yale]

Everyone anticipating headage payments returning

We certainly don’t want headage payments,that would be the nail in the coffin.

If they can’t make a profit commercially they shouldn’t be kept.

 

[Hilly]

They have their heads in the sand , they are mad ! Totally mental lol

 

[Ysgythan]

They have their heads in the sand , they are mad ! Totally mental lol

Well no, if you go bust because of No Deal Brexit you won’t be alone and it won’t be your fault. So as gambles go the down side is pretty sh!t either way, the only chance of an upside is to go for it.

 

[Hilly]

Well no, if you go bust because of No Deal Brexit you won’t be alone and it won’t be your fault. So as gambles go the down side is pretty sh!t either way, the only chance of an upside is to go for it.

One way to look at it, I’m playing it safe buying fek all

 

[Ysgythan]

One way to look at it, I’m playing it safe buying fek all

Yes but your position doesn’t explain the strong trade. All I’m saying is that the strong trade and confidence in Brexit turning out well are not necessarily linked.

 

[Henarar]

Everyone anticipating headage payments returning

Yes if we end up no deal there may well be a payment to make up the shortfall till they get something sorted, so no it wouldn't surprise me at all

 

[Jackov Altraids]

If we leave and IF it was anything like the worst case scenario, the 'scheme' would probably be to kill/ dispose of any sheep @£30 - £50.
I do not see this as any reason to be keeping extra sheep.
In the short term, I can see nothing that will cause the price to get much better or worse. But it could.
I guess selling the produce of breeding ewes is 7 months away and the hope would be that things should be sorted by then but that is looking doubtful at the moment with parliament determined to undermine the Prime Minister's efforts to get things done.