Cattle Breed Society fees and charges

[topground]

What do you expect from the breed society that you register your calves with as pedigree?
What are you charged for and how much?

 

[M-J-G]

Simmental charges

 

[JP1]

Firstly The friendliest Society

Riggit Galloways

£10 annual membership, £20 breeding members

£10 transfer of ownerships

The system works very well

 

[JP1]

Belted Galloway Society £35 / year

£10 + VAT heifer reg under a year old
£150 + VAT Bull inspection 12-24 months old + DNA fee

Free online birth notifications

 

[JP1]

Galloway Cattle Society

 

[JP1]

All three Galloway Societies have formal EU regulated registration and the cattle therein (export etc)

All three societies maintain herdbooks and software , the two larger have the scale and budget to facilitate open and free to use public viewing (member login for self birth registrations)

All three assist and facilitate breed promotion, meat and breeding schemes, show allowances and exhibit stand assistance

All 3 have Council / Directors to assist in breeding policy and breed standard conformance

The BGCS and GCS have National shows and arrange and publicise official sale fixtures

The Riggit Galloway enthusiasts have moved Christmas to a 3 day stint in August known colloquially as The Summer Jamboree. Every year the bar gets raised and it has become the go-to event (and likely envy of other Societies although we allow anyone along )

 

[Purli R]

All three Galloway Societies have formal EU regulated registration and the cattle therein (export etc)

All three societies maintain herdbooks and software , the two larger have the scale and budget to facilitate open and free to use public viewing (member login for self birth registrations)

All three assist and facilitate breed promotion, meat and breeding schemes, show allowances and exhibit stand assistance

All 3 have Council / Directors to assist in breeding policy and breed standard conformance

The BGCS and GCS have National shows and arrange and publicise official sale fixtures

The Riggit Galloway enthusiasts have moved Christmas to a 3 day stint in August known colloquially as The Summer Jamboree. Every year the bar gets raised and it has become the go-to event (and likely envy of other Societies although we allow anyone along )

Bit of topic, but how did your pal get on selling his wsh cattle at carlisle last week?

 

[JP1]

Bit of topic, but how did your pal get on selling his wsh cattle at carlisle last week?

Forgive the diversion @topground

He got on well, so much so it stole the thunder from a good bull consigned by @Old Tip . I can report however that he has since been sold privately

Lot 101 (Bull) 1300gn Lot 109 1700gn Simon Redman Lot 110 1100gn Lot 111 2000gn Bowden (Devon) Lot 112 2100gn Bowden (Devon) Lot 113 (Yearling heifer) Stonehouse Hannah 2nd 1700gns 1st prize and champion female and overall reserve champion

 

[Al R]

Belted Galloway Society £35 / year

£10 + VAT heifer reg under a year old
£150 + VAT Bull inspection 12-24 months old + DNA fee

Free online birth notifications

Ever seen a belted welsh black? A neighbour has 3/4 at his place, you’d swear they are Galloways but their too big and fury.

 

[JP1]

Ever seen a belted welsh black? A neighbour has 3/4 at his place, you’d swear they are Galloways but their too big and fury.

TBH I haven't. Friends of mine in Worcestershire have Sheeted Welsh cattle but they are smoother than the Welsh Blacks or Galloways and I assumed they came from more dual purpose Lakenvelder type cattle

 

[topground]

TBH I haven't. Friends of mine in Worcestershire have Sheeted Welsh cattle but they are smoother than the Welsh Blacks or Galloways and I assumed they came from more dual purpose Lakenvelder type cattle
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Off topic on my own thread!
It seems likely that when the Dutch nobility released their grip on the highly prized belted cattle now known as the Lakenvelder in the 1700's, the Dutch being a trading nation would have hawked these cattle up the Bristol Channel to sell to Somerset farmers who bred the Sheeted Somerset from crossing with local cattle , across the water to sell to the Welsh who bred the Belted Welsh and then up the west coast of Scotland where breeders developed the Belted Galloway. Cattle breeders throughout the ages have looked to produce cattle of different colours and long may that continue otherwise all cattle would be black to suit the trade in black leather for up market car seats. See Black Stabiliser, Limousin, Charrolais and Simmenthal.

Back to topic please!

 

[Whitepeak]

British Blondes
£50 annual membership
£35 per calf registration, if registered before the end of the month following birth, late registration fee +£10/mth
£15 transfer fee
(all prices are +vat)

What I expect? Alot, but then again I'm on the breed council so I can demand it ? but as a minimum I expect a breed society to:
Maintain an accurate herd book, whilst processing registrations in an efficient and professional manner
Promote the use of the breed, for both pedigree and commercial use. Be that via press adverts, social media, website, trade stands etc
Advertise and promote upcoming society events eg shows and sales.
Promote and advertise private sales
Actively encourage breed development, be that through health schemes, performance recording, classification etc.

 

[Johngee]

Limousin society charges

 

[Cowgirl]

Hereford Cattle Society:

 

[Cowgirl]

What do I expect from my breed society? A lot more than I get! The Hereford Cattle Society rules say their aims and objectives are: “to maintain unimpaired the purity of, and improve the breed of cattle known as Herefords, and to promote impartially the breeding of all the various tribes, families and strains of such cattle.”
DNA evidence showed they completely failed to maintain purity, and their idea of promotion is to use the attributes of the Traditional Hereford to describe the modern bloodlines, without ever mentioning the original population cattle in any breed promotional literature. They are obsessed with show ring successes and pretty well nothing else.
We have been members since 2011, necessary if we wish to register calves, and apart from direct queries to head office which have been answered, and the actual registration and DNA certificates, there is no benefit to us of being members. The cattle we have are a relatively small percentage of the population but as the original population they are important to many owners, yet they are excluded from Society shows and sales - in fact the modern polled is promoted to the exclusion of everything else and has been for many years, so they have failed in both aspects of their objectives.

 

[M-J-G]

What do I expect from my breed society? A lot more than I get! The Hereford Cattle Society rules say their aims and objectives are: “to maintain unimpaired the purity of, and improve the breed of cattle known as Herefords, and to promote impartially the breeding of all the various tribes, families and strains of such cattle.”
DNA evidence showed they completely failed to maintain purity, and their idea of promotion is to use the attributes of the Traditional Hereford to describe the modern bloodlines, without ever mentioning the original population cattle in any breed promotional literature. They are obsessed with show ring successes and pretty well nothing else.
We have been members since 2011, necessary if we wish to register calves, and apart from direct queries to head office which have been answered, and the actual registration and DNA certificates, there is no benefit to us of being members. The cattle we have are a relatively small percentage of the population but as the original population they are important to many owners, yet they are excluded from Society shows and sales - in fact the modern polled is promoted to the exclusion of everything else and has been for many years, so they have failed in both aspects of their objectives.

No offence, but the Hereford breed would have been extinct in the UK if something hadn't been done to make them more commercially viable. The same goes for the AA and the BSH, both of which have been more successfully adapted than the Hereford. The breed seems to neither be a terminal or a maternal type these days, poor milking ability and slow growth seems to be the main issues.

As for purity, you seem to have an issue with the inclusion of other genetics to alter breeds, but the truth is no breed is pure, sure some are purer than others but most came about by crossing different breeds.

I was at the calf show in Stirling and one class of AA bulls had 2 origional type AA bulls alongside modern types, and the difference in size for age was staggering. I'm guessing they'd have been half the weight, if not less.
What are farmers and breed Societies expected to do? We're not running a museum.

 

[Cowgirl]

No offence, but the Hereford breed would have been extinct in the UK if something hadn't been done to make them more commercially viable. The same goes for the AA and the BSH, both of which have been more successfully adapted than the Hereford. The breed seems to neither be a terminal or a maternal type these days, poor milking ability and slow growth seems to be the main issues.

As for purity, you seem to have an issue with the inclusion of other genetics to alter breeds, but the truth is no breed is pure, sure some are purer than others but most came about by crossing different breeds.

I was at the calf show in Stirling and one class of AA bulls had 2 origional type AA bulls alongside modern types, and the difference in size for age was staggering. I'm guessing they'd have been half the weight, if not less.
What are farmers and breed Societies expected to do? We're not running a museum.

As usual you are making the assumption that our cattle are museum pieces without ever having seen them or knowing anything about them. There were always larger strains in the breed which could have been selected for without the introduction of other breeds which was done without the approval of HCS members, and by the way, appears to be mainly Simmental, so by your assertion that the modern Hereford is still not much good - what do we blame?
What do you think the OP breeders have been doing for the last 50 years? Our calves grow at 0.8 - 1.2 kg / day producing a 280 - 300kg R4L or H carcase at under 30 months off grass alone with no other feed - yes they could be bigger but there are bigger cattle than ours in the nation al herd and it will be interesting to see what the future holds for animals with large carcase weights. Local butchers prefer our type of cattle. No other main breed has such a divergence of DNA from its original population as far as we know. The Limousin society has deregistered cattle because of fraud - why is that different, just that it happened years ago? One rule for some and not for others. As I did not see the "original type" AA bulls that you are referring to I cannot comment on them , but I am sure that they would not be Native OP Angus, because there are very few of them - there are poor cattle in every herd, even those with big names.
My comments about the second objective remain the same.

 

[Cowgirl]

Hereford bashing is a popular sport on here but it was not the purpose of the thread. The topic was breed societies and their charges but also I think what people get for their hard earned money. Other breed societies presumably have aims and objectives and some have been more successful than others in carrying those out - what I would like to know is which societies are most inclusive for their members - sounds as though the Galloway people are a nicer bunch.