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[Pauly]

My partner was confronted by 3 people yesterday when she tried to stop them from using a track that runs beside the house and on which there is no public right of way. When she told them they couldn't enter the land, one of them got out his phone and showed her an app from alltrails showing the track as a bridleway, cycle path and footpath.

I think that during the lockdown in the spring some cyclist has come down the track and uploaded it onto this app and now other people think it's gospel. Have looked at the app and have found other tracks locally that are marked on the map but have no public access. I have contacted alltrails to remove my track.

Just letting people know so they can check for similar before it gets to the definitive map.

 

[Still Farming]

Wasters walk everywhere whatever .
Walk in their garden and see what they say???

 

[Nearly]

Thanks, I've just checked out a friend's farm track that they are having issues with and it has been marked on Alltrails.
It might be easier to get the track removed from the app than carrying on burying the bodies.

 

[Kidds]

Add your own that walks them off a cliff?

 

[theboytheboy]

I would suggest everyone signs up to "dont lose your way" and checks for any footpaths that may have been identified as lost on your land.

I suspect thete will be an increase of walkers attempting to reactivate old lost paths.

 

[Wombat]

I would suggest everyone signs up to "dont lose your way" and checks for any footpaths that may have been identified as lost on your land.

I suspect thete will be an increase of walkers attempting to reactivate old lost paths.

What can you do if there is one though? the one we have was diverted to its new route by the MOD in the 1940's but the old route is on the 1913 maps

 

[Pauly]

Wasters walk everywhere whatever .
Walk in their garden and see what they say???

They wouldn't divulge that info for some reason.

 

[Pauly]

I would suggest everyone signs up to "dont lose your way" and checks for any footpaths that may have been identified as lost on your land.

I suspect thete will be an increase of walkers attempting to reactivate old lost paths.

I think they've got til sometime in 2026 to try and get them on the map but all my tracks are only timber tracks put in in the sixties

 

[7610 super q]

Interesting. We've had similar this year with folks brandishing a " professionally " drawn map that shows part of our land as part of the coastal path. It isn't.

 

[Nearly]

Section 31 notice to prevent anyone claiming new fp.

 

[theboytheboy]

What can you do if there is one though? the one we have was diverted to its new route by the MOD in the 1940's but the old route is on the 1913 maps

To be honest im not sure what i can do but i will certainly be keeping an eye to turn back anyone not walking on paths that are currently on the definitive map.

Also putting up signs saying no access etc in a bid to stop anyone claiming they have regularly been walking old paths that have been out of use.

 

[theboytheboy]

Section 31 notice to prevent anyone claiming new fp.

Yes ive done ours a few years back. Would advise everyone to do the same asap

 

[theboytheboy]

I'm not anti walkers/footpaths etc

But I do feel that re routing should be possible when they go through farm yards and certainly if they want to reinstate unsued paths then this should be done in a collaborative way to find routes that work for walkers and landowners alike

 

[B R C]

Just looked on council website, section 31 notice £340!
Probably well spent though.

 

[Nearly]

Just looked on council website, section 31 notice £340!
Probably well spent though.

one off fee, do all the farm and a couple of neighbours too?

 

[Wombat]

To be honest im not sure what i can do but i will certainly be keeping an eye to turn back anyone not walking on paths that are currently on the definitive map.

Also putting up signs saying no access etc in a bid to stop anyone claiming they have regularly been walking old paths that have been out of use.

The path in question was moved from cross corners of a field onto a track up one side via the MOD as they put some buildings and stuff in the way and made the track, the old path hasn't been walked in 70yrs and you would have to cross some fences and ditches to even try

I will look at the section 31 this week thanks

 

[Pauly]

Heard back from alltrails and they get their information from openstreetmaps. It was then quite easy to delete the track from the map. Shall have to keep checking though in case some knob puts it back on.
Shall also be doing a section 31 this week.

 

[Gordy1]

While it is possible for new rights of way to come into existence through public use, a landowner can also prevent this happening by showing they have taken sufficient action to make it clear to the public they have no right to cross the land. There are various means of doing this, such as: physical restraint in the form of locked gates, fences or other obstructions; verbal restraint; or challenge users of the way. Using provisions contained in Section 31(3) of the Highways Act 1980 a landowner can also erect a notice denying that a public right of way exists. Notices must be carefully worded and further advice about what information to include is available at Highways Act 1980 Section 31(3) and Section 31(5). Alteratively allowing access by permission only can also prevent a claim of rights. For further information and advice please see Permissive Paths. Barriers, or notices, may suffice, but they can be difficult to maintain in situ and there are further steps a landowner can take to reduce the risk of rights from accruing. Section 31(6) of the Highways Act 1980 provides a mechanism for landowners to acknowledge the presence of existing rights of way across their land and negative the intention to dedicate further ways thereby preventing new rights being established.

 

[Al R]

My partner was confronted by 3 people yesterday when she tried to stop them from using a track that runs beside the house and on which there is no public right of way. When she told them they couldn't enter the land, one of them got out his phone and showed her an app from alltrails showing the track as a bridleway, cycle path and footpath.

I think that during the lockdown in the spring some cyclist has come down the track and uploaded it onto this app and now other people think it's gospel. Have looked at the app and have found other tracks locally that are marked on the map but have no public access. I have contacted alltrails to remove my track.

Just letting people know so they can check for similar before it gets to the definitive map.

There’s quite a few of the footpaths and even bridle ways missing on that app compared to what I actually know are on my own land.

 

[Still Farming]

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