Chemical Price Tracker

[Clive]

There is some hand changing fungicide chemistry on the way from BASF. And sure others willl follow

Without CTL though BASF will have it all their own way for a few years so I hope the don’t get silly with prices

 

[Brisel]

Comments like that help us keep much needed chemicals that’s for sure......‍
The greens love sh!t like that!

They are all pesticides I.e. kill things. The difference is the dose. This is hardly news.

 

[Feldspar]

CTL - is a bit unfair that the R&D manufacturer (Syngenta) has to produce all the data required to support it during re-registration (at Syngenta's expense) yet all the generic manufacturers can use Syngenta's data package for their generic CTL products, with no expense incurred to them to produce the data package for registration.

you can sort of understand why an R&D manufacturer would rather sink their money into a 'new' active rather than some active that is generic and shagged on sales price/margin return.

Many be the generic manufacturers should be required to pay a 'royality' to R&D manufacturers so that older, effective active ingredients are retained ?

Once CTL is lost, what are folks going to use as a multi-site on cereal crops to protect other chemistry (triazoles & SDHI) ? Folpet or mancozeb ?

Had not completely realised that generic manufacturers could piggyback so completely on the back of OEM's data bundles. If true, your suggestion does seem sensible.

I would say flufenacet, CTL and glyphosate are the three chemicals that we would struggle to cope without. No experience of folpet. Is it as good?

 

[Brisel]

Folpet? Not as good as CTL and more expensive. Will get even more expensive if CTL goes. Look at your TAG trials data to see how good it is vs CTL and mancozeb.

 

[david]

@Brisel

Is that folpet vs septoria or folpet vs ramularia ?

 

[Hindsight]

@Brisel

Is that folpet vs septoria or folpet vs ramularia ?

Next to useless on both.

 

[Brisel]

@Brisel

Is that folpet vs septoria or folpet vs ramularia ?

Folpet vs septoria tritici. I haven't seen any work done on ramularia.

 

[yellow belly]

if we lose ctl and triazoles
when we get a bad septoria year which we do at least 1 in 10 years yields across Europe will be down 50 % with no wheat above 72 kg specific weight
the European millers will be looking for a few 10s of million tonnes of bread wheat
in the last 35 year fungicides have always reduced the yield losses so every one has enough to eat

the plant breeders will need to get a move on with developing a septoria resistant wheat
wheat growing west of the m1 will be very hard if we have warm wet springs

 

[Neddy flanders]

how soon could CTL disappear?

 

[Neddy flanders]

if we lose ctl and triazoles
when we get a bad septoria year which we do at least 1 in 10 years yields across Europe will be down 50 % with no wheat above 72 kg specific weight
the European millers will be looking for a few 10s of million tonnes of bread wheat
in the last 35 year fungicides have always reduced the yield losses so every one has enough to eat

the plant breeders will need to get a move on with developing a septoria resistant wheat
wheat growing west of the m1 will be very hard if we have warm wet springs

did anyone ever grow Exsept ? wheat variety

 

[david]

I did see several plots of KWS Extase wheat totally untreated (no fungicides) this year in a trial and it didn't look to shabby

 

[Clive]

if we lose ctl and triazoles
when we get a bad septoria year which we do at least 1 in 10 years yields across Europe will be down 50 % with no wheat above 72 kg specific weight
the European millers will be looking for a few 10s of million tonnes of bread wheat
in the last 35 year fungicides have always reduced the yield losses so every one has enough to eat

the plant breeders will need to get a move on with developing a septoria resistant wheat
wheat growing west of the m1 will be very hard if we have warm wet springs

New tech on the horizon and not far away in the case of Revysol

Solutions will exist but at what cost !

 

[B'o'B]

New tech on the horizon and not far away in the case of Revysol

Solutions will exist but at what cost !

And there is a question mark as to how long they will remain effective for without CTL as a backbone for resistance management.

 

[Brisel]

They won't be any cheaper than equivalent current choices either...

 

[yellow belly]

I did see several plots of KWS Extase wheat totally untreated (no fungicides) this year in a trial and it didn't look to shabby

low disease years are not to much of a problem
get a 2012 or a 1987 without ctl and all septoria control will be done for
disease evolves quicker than plant breeders can get traits in to crops with only conventional breeding

 

[wellingtonfarmer]

what price have people paid for kerb this year

 

[RFR]

did anyone ever grow Exsept ? wheat variety

yes , grew it for Nickersons on seed contract for a few years

 

[An Gof]

what price have people paid for kerb this year

What have you been charged?

 

[wellingtonfarmer]

What have you been charged?

£12.50

 

[An Gof]

£12.50

Cheap for a can expensive for a litre