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Discussion in 'Cropping' started by sleepy, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. An Gof

    An Gof Member

    Location:
    Cornwall
    CTL case doesn’t look good, I’m not as positive as you to it’s success in being reapproved. EU policy with ppp is frightening.
     
  2. Brisel

    Brisel Member

    Location:
    Dorset
    The vote on CTL’s reregistration is due for March. To base approvals on hazard instead of risk is just daft but that’s the world we live in now.
     
  3. Steevo

    Steevo Member

    Location:
    Gloucestershire
    Sorry, I was being sarcastic. The way things are going, we will overtake the French as the most chemical averse nation.
     
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  4. Steevo

    Steevo Member

    Location:
    Gloucestershire
    Seems very convenient.
     
  5. robbie

    robbie Member

    Location:
    the brecks norfolk
    Maybe rather sceptical of me but just as epoxi, teb and ctl go revysol comes along and and according to some agronomy meetings I've been to, will do rusts and septoria so don't worry but of course it'll be much more expensive. It does make you wonder if the chem company's are actually trying to get the old cheap stuff banned.
     
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  6. solo

    solo Member

    Location:
    worcestershire
    It’s no different to new tractor models really. New model requires new style filters at £25 compared to old model at £6. It’s quite a popular business model for lots of companies as it gives them a competitive advantage until spurious copies can be marketed.
     
  7. Gordon Greenlaw

    Gordon Greenlaw New Member

    The timings of the review of the old chemistry and the development of new stuff is entirely coincidental. Instead of questioning the motives just be grateful that Revsol is on the horizon because the discovery of new actives that can meet all the new commercial and legislative demands has virtually dropped off a cliff. The number of new products coming along is now countable on fingers.
    The generics don’t ride completely on the back of the majors when an active is renewed.They still have to submit some data and this aspect stops many Chinese companies from investing in the EU market.
     
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  8. david

    david Member

    Location:
    County Down
    At the rate actives are being revoked and very little new actives coming along, food production in the EU will become difficult.

    The likelihood of pests, weeds and diseases developing resistance to the few actives that may remain will increase more rapidly.

    Ultimately the EU will be forced to import food from other countries where GM, RNAi and CRISPR technology is allowed.
     
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  9. robbie

    robbie Member

    Location:
    the brecks norfolk
    It's quite possible to grow crops equally as good as we're growing now with far less Chems it's just you has to get back to basics, be creative, think outside the box and look at history and how previous generations done it, to know how to do it in the future.
     
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  10. Flat 10

    Flat 10 Member

    Location:
    Fen Edge
    Big statement. Not sure how many of our grandfathers hit the current UK average yield......
     
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  11. B'o'B

    B'o'B Member

    Location:
    Rutland
    And fairly regular food shortages and famines with far smaller populations as well.
     
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  12. robbie

    robbie Member

    Location:
    the brecks norfolk
    They didn't but with there knowledge and our current state of the art technology coupled with modern farming techniques and a few chems it's possible I'm sure.

    If we can improve the soil we can grow healthy resilient crops that need less spend to keep them clean from disease. It's all basic stuff, doing my BASIS training has been a real eye opener as to the state of a lot of the soil and why such big spends are needed to keep crops going.
     
  13. Previous generations used every technique they had available
    Post 2nd world war investment in varieties and agronomy took decades for yields to increase now at a level 4 times higher than in 1919

    The 7 million Irish people would have benefited from a modern control of potatoe blight 1 million died and 6 million emigrated due to crop failure

    If Europe has reduced food production because we cannot use 21 century technology other continents will need to supply the food much will be produced with the aid of the technology not allowed in Europe
    Gm gene editing crop protection products
     
  14. robbie

    robbie Member

    Location:
    the brecks norfolk
    I'm not talking about reducing output, I'm looking at changing how we produce the same or more from less Chems.

    If you like it or not agriculture is changing and will change drasticly over the next 20 years. Chems are loosing approval left right and centre and with the likes of Gove at the top it's not going to change.

    We, as an industry need to get back to basics and start looking closely at what we do and how we do it, things like good rotations, livestock on farms for fertility, cover crops, grazing etc, all things that previous generations did and knew how to do far better than us.
     
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  15. david

    david Member

    Location:
    County Down
    Good posts by Robbie and Yellow Belly, your both correct.

    We have to learn to farm with reduced chemical input, as they are disappearing at an increasing rate .

    BASF did produce blight resistant potatoes via GM technology, think of the chemical input that would save, but I believe they have put the project 'into storage'.
     
  16. More livestock won't give us higher grain yields collectively. Probably not cover crops either - they may help us to use our soil fertility more efficiently and trim some costs. Your talking as if mixed farms don't exist now - there's nothing but mixed farms over this side
     
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  17. robbie

    robbie Member

    Location:
    the brecks norfolk
    I agree mixed farms certainly do still exist and 9 times out if 10 around here they'll be the best highest yielding farms.

    No one thing is going to improve anything but if we look at the bigger picture and adopt a fully integrated approach I think we may be onto a winner.
     
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  18. Flat 10

    Flat 10 Member

    Location:
    Fen Edge
    Any recent CTL prices? How's £55 sound?
     
  19. Pigless

    Pigless Member

    Location:
    Cornwall
    ordered mine last month £53.50 del jan pay april. supply only.
     
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  20. Chunka87

    Chunka87 Member

    Doesnt sound far out was 53/54 last month
     
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