Classic MF ?

[Muck Spreader]

Just looking at this new/ retro MF 380 for sale. It looks a very smart tractor for the money, I guess they are made in India or Pakistan.

http://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/farm-tractor/3427864/massey-ferguson-385-new.html

 

[seedman stains]

Just looking at this new/ retro MF 380 for sale. It looks a very smart tractor for the money, I guess they are made in India or Pakistan.

http://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/farm-tractor/3427864/massey-ferguson-385-new.html

and you could fit one of those cheap French hitches gathering dust!!!!

 

[John 1594]

bet there aint any EGR valves on that tractor, or the million other sensors what seem to serve to purpose except disable the tractor when it goes wrong

quite possible that there is a big lever and a connecting linkage that you pull which raises the lift, and a little red know what says "pull to stop"

still think if something like that was allowed to be marketed here, it would sell well to the livestock fraternity. Its the perfect scraper tractor, no cab to rot out, hardly any electrics, just get on, turn the key and go!

 

[Barleycorn]

They are sold here, or something very similar to a 290 anyway. Saw a new 2WD one last year on a local dairy farm on a scraper. It cost him about £8000 if I remember right. Was badged up as a Massey, and looked identical to the 200 series. I think that it was made in India, perhaps with the tools out of Banner Lane?

 

[John 1594]

didnt think they were allowed to sell such basic machines here purely because of the rediculous emmisons regulations etc etc

assuming these new MFs still retain the well proven basic 1000.4/6 series engines with mechanical injection

 

[multi power]

it has no pick up hitch, only 8 speed n im not sure what engine, other than that i like it

 

[Muck Spreader]

I just get the feeling that tractor will keep going without being umbilicaly linked to the dealer service van.

 

[John 1594]

I just get the feeling that tractor will keep going without being umbilicaly linked to the dealer service van.

wouldnt ever catch on in this country then

a machine what works and doesnt require fixing or updated software every other day?

didnt they used to call that progress

and we all know we must not stan in the way of that!!!!

hmmmm..........

 

[Daniel]

wouldnt ever catch on in this country then

a machine what works and doesnt require fixing or updated software every other day?

didnt they used to call that progress

and we all know we must not stan in the way of that!!!!

hmmmm..........

Our two 6030 series JD's have one failed turbo between them in 5500 hours, which JD stood. The 'simple' 300 and 4000 series Masseys we ran before had clutches every 1000 to 1800 hours, the 390 snapped its crankshaft, the 399 repeatedly cracked the top casting on the back axle, steering joints fell apart, pickup hitches pulled the threads out of the castings etc etc etc.

Yes you get more niggles with the computers always being fussy about hydraulic oil levels when you tip trailers, coolant levels etc, but I'd rather have those than major breakdown. There is no doubt modern engineering is better than old.

 

[John 1594]

Our two 6030 series JD's have one failed turbo between them in 5500 hours, which JD stood. The 'simple' 300 and 4000 series Masseys we ran before had clutches every 1000 to 1800 hours, the 390 snapped its crankshaft, the 399 repeatedly cracked the top casting on the back axle, steering joints fell apart, pickup hitches pulled the threads out of the castings etc etc etc.

Yes you get more niggles with the computers always being fussy about hydraulic oil levels when you tip trailers, coolant levels etc, but I'd rather have those than major breakdown. There is no doubt modern engineering is better than old.

thing is though, for someone like me, a broken crankshaft is something i, myself can fix with a set of spanners and a good workshop, all its going to cost me is a few evenings in the shed and a s/h crank

when all the lights on the dash flash up saying see your dealer, your paying their time, plus the cost of what ever part needs replacing, and they are the only people who can fix it as they have the right software to sort it

may not suit everyone, but im sure my way works out cheaper providing you have the time and the knowledge to do it

 

[Muck Spreader]

didnt think they were allowed to sell such basic machines here purely because of the rediculous emmisons regulations etc etc

assuming these new MFs still retain the well proven basic 1000.4/6 series engines with mechanical injection

Do you reckon that's why it's called secondhand with only 20 hours on the clock, is this a way round the Eu emission regs?

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Do you reckon that's why it's called secondhand with only 20 hours on the clock, is this a way round the Eu emission regs?

At what point is it second hand; 20, 10, 5 hours...?

 

[Cowabunga]

Do you reckon that's why it's called secondhand with only 20 hours on the clock, is this a way round the Eu emission regs?

At what point is it second hand; 20, 10, 5 hours...?

It is second hand if it has been registered to a previous owner.

This is probably a Millat built MF from Pakistan. A lot more advanced than the Indian build Tafe MF tractors in that it is a later generation model and built more faithfully to the original.

Bare in mind that an unacceptably high proportion of that country's residents would have us wiped off the face of the Earth.

 

[spanners]

It is second hand if it has been registered to a previous owner.

This is probably a Millat built MF from Pakistan. A lot more advanced than the Indian build Tafe MF tractors in that it is a later generation model and built more faithfully to the original.

Bare in mind that an unacceptably high proportion of that country's residents would have us wiped off the face of the Earth.

so did the germans at one point. twice in fact. dosent stop you buying a JD or a fendt

 

[Cowabunga]

so did the germans at one point. twice in fact. dosent stop you buying a JD or a fendt

Not that I've got either but they are our friends these days and they don't want to blow you to hell in tiny little bits currently and they don't commonly keep western girls as sex slaves in England either for all I know.

 

[DrDunc]

Not that I've got either but they are our friends these days and they don't want to blow you to hell in tiny little bits currently and they don't commonly keep western girls as sex slaves in England either for all I know.

The company making and selling the tractors aren't the ones to be getting your panties in a bunch about.

Agco made all the banners lane workers redundant and sold off the tooling. Boycott them if you feel so strongly.

 

[DrDunc]

 

[Cowabunga]

The company making and selling the tractors aren't the ones to be getting your panties in a bunch about.

Agco made all the banners lane workers redundant and sold off the tooling. Boycott them if you feel so strongly.

Actually i applaud them for keeping a factory that made a design that was 20 years past its sellbye date going for so long with models updated as best they could with a comparitively ancient chassis design. Its fate was sealed back in the bad old 1970's when they, in common with many other midland factories, had as many strike days as work days and MF decided to invest in their new generation design in France.
For a Canadian and latterly American company they had the patience of saints. Now of course, the UK operation is an insignificant little tiddle with a tiny market share that does not do justice to [what is] a rather good and technically competitive product but in a range that covers only a fraction of the market in terms of models to suit all farmer and farm types, especially at the 'stockman' and 'utility', basic and smaller end of the market and at competitive prices. They have a stronger competitive presence at the more sophisticated end of the 100 to 300hp sector than they ever have but since the demise of Coventry built models they have given away the volume basic sector where they were traditionally dominant almost completely. But that is their loss and someone else's gain and shouldn't be of the slightest concern to farmers, whose job it is to farm with the most suitable tools possible whatever the colour. Shed not a tear for a corporate giant's management of its business for they surely know best what's good for themselves.

 

[multi power]

Do you reckon that's why it's called secondhand with only 20 hours on the clock, is this a way round the Eu emission regs?

yes

 

[multi power]

Our two 6030 series JD's have one failed turbo between them in 5500 hours, which JD stood. The 'simple' 300 and 4000 series Masseys we ran before had clutches every 1000 to 1800 hours, the 390 snapped its crankshaft, the 399 repeatedly cracked the top casting on the back axle, steering joints fell apart, pickup hitches pulled the threads out of the castings etc etc etc.

Yes you get more niggles with the computers always being fussy about hydraulic oil levels when you tip trailers, coolant levels etc, but I'd rather have those than major breakdown. There is no doubt modern engineering is better than old.

i have a 398, bought second hand, in the 2000 hours i have had it, it has had a water pump n altenator, also a few bulbs n switches , lift pump n master cylinder but needed these when i bought it
i dont think it has ever been split, hours now around 7000, none of the problems you mention