Closed transfer chem filling?

[Rob Holmes]

Does anyone use this?

I thought about getting Glyphosate in IBC's but my agronomist reckons it's no cheaper

What other chems are available in returnable containers?

 

[Steevo]

Would love to but seems the manufacturers aren't there quite yet. Saw a direct injection system on a spud planter recently.

Even if there's no cost saving, it's got to be the way of the future from a H&S point of view.

 

[Rob Holmes]

Had a Google hunt and found these, interesting?

http://boothmans.co.uk/5844/andldquo-closed-transferandrdquo-chemical-filling-system
http://wisdomsystems.co.uk/media/4475/850fastraninstruct04.pdf
http://www.nufarm.com/UK/ClinicavailableinIBCs

 

[marshallfarm]

Yes use the wisdom transfer system for glyphosate in 1000l Ibc. Saves a hell of a lot of lifting, washing and no packaging to recycle. Chlormequat, manganese and magnesium all available I believe. Its no cheaper than buying in 20l packs but its very useful. Our kit was supplied by boothmans http://boothmans.co.uk/5844/andldquo-closed-transferandrdquo-chemical-filling-system.

 

[Steevo]

How expensive is the pump system?
Do you find it restricts your ability to shop around for chemical if you need it in IBCs?

 

[Clive]

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Yes use the wisdom transfer system for glyphosate in 1000l Ibc. Saves a hell of a lot of lifting, washing and no packaging to recycle. Chlormequat, manganese and magnesium all available I believe. Its no cheaper than buying in 20l packs but its very useful. Our kit was supplied by boothmans http://boothmans.co.uk/5844/andldquo-closed-transferandrdquo-chemical-filling-system.

It's a great system I wish could catch on, limited product or supplier limit product in suitable containers kills it at the moment though

 

[Woodlander]

Closed transfer systems with returnable containers must be the way forward. What we need is for all of the manufacturers to get their heads together and decide upon a standard format!!

The main closed transfer systems widely used are the surefill type system for nematicides such as Nemathorin. Amistar is available in a closed transfer system for use on potato planters.

I was once told that when Syngenta were trialling returnable containers, the containers were often returned in unsuitable condition. When the container was emptied there was always a little product left in the can. The farmers thought they were losing out so would drill holes in the containers to get the last bit out!! The containers were 'overfilled' to account of the bit left in them!

From the point of view of reducing the risk to operator than this would certainly help.

 

[marshallfarm]

Can't remember of the top of my head without looking, it was a few years ago now, we only use it for cheap bog standard clinic ace so there is not much price difference locally

 

[marshallfarm]

Basf are introducing a system now that washes container too http://www.basf.com/group/pressrelease/P-13-512

 

[Clive]

Can't remember of the top of my head without looking, it was a few years ago now, we only use it for cheap bog standard clinic ace so there is not much price difference locally

How much are you paying for glyphosate / L in suitable ibc's for comparison ?

 

[marshallfarm]

Will look tomorrow Clive

 

[Woodlander]

The Syngenta system for Amistar is called Link-pak

 

[Woodlander]

Surely such systems would also reduce the risk of point source pollution. So if it is good for the operator and environment surely government should make funding available to get this up and running.

 

[Steevo]

Surely such systems would also reduce the risk of point source pollution. So if it is good for the operator and environment surely government should make funding available to get this up and running.

Good point, you'd think so wouldn't you! Isn't it the case that most spray pollution is point source from filling?

 

[Woodlander]

Good point, you'd think so wouldn't you! Isn't it the case that most spray pollution is point source from filling?

Yes - originally it was thought that diffuse pollution was the biggest contributor to pollution. The Cherwell study many years ago identified that point source pollution was the main problem. Of course many operators have improved there practice since that study was carried out. Even so the filling area is still a risk area form the pollution point of view and opening, decanting and cleaning of containers is an area where problems can occur

 

[Clive]

Trouble is you need all the chem manufacturers agree on one common system

That's unlikely to happen IMO as they all want to use this to make you buy their product vs their competitors

I was testing systems on a sprayer 15 years ago for a chem manufacturer and none caught on even though they all worked

 

[Woodlander]

Basf are introducing a system now that washes container too http://www.basf.com/group/pressrelease/P-13-512

This would be good for anything with pendimethalin in it. No more yellow hands - sorry I mean gloves!

 

[Woodlander]

Trouble is you need all the chem manufacturers agree on one common system

That's unlikely to happen IMO as they all want to use this to make you buy their product vs their competitors

I was testing systems on a sprayer 15 years ago for a chem manufacturer and none caught on even though they all worked

Yes, but with the Water Framework Directive and the Drinking Water Directive, there is a big stick to hit us with if pesticides are found regularly in water sources. This should be incentive enough for the manufacturers to revisit the situation

It terms of the common system - there needs to be an international standard - lets call it ISO-CTS (closed transfer system)

 

[womble]

trialled a wisdom system many years ago main products where stomp and ipu the biggest problem was getting everyone on the same valve and at that time chemical companies were merging that often the drums where unusable after a merger also they had some problems with chemical stability over winter you couldn't see what had happened in the drum think each drum had to complete 10 trips to cover cost plus they cluttered the whole system up regards transport .

the wisdom system is basically a glorified pony meter and on bulk products like glysophate and foliar feeds probably not much more accurate in my view .the availability of some products for me in 500litre lots would be more use to me .

 

[Steevo]

the wisdom system is basically a glorified pony meter and on bulk products like glysophate and foliar feeds probably not much more accurate in my view .the availability of some products for me in 500litre lots would be more use to me .

Imagine the eye-watering amount a single 500l tank of some chemicals would cost. Would certainly make you careful when using the forklift!