Compost teas

cows r us

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Yeah interested to hear also.

Did my own composting with more carbon for increased fungi activity. after 25-30 days after all the turning it decreased in heat and I think now its down at 16c. Mycelium is taking hold from what I can see on top. I should really have it tested fr curiosity but it's a lovely earth smell. The next step would be to use it in a compost tea.
Itt may well be Actinomycetes bacteria rather than fungal mycelium that you see growing. I had the same with mine this year. It's what gives off the earthy smell. I think I'm right in saying that a couple of varieties fix nitrogen
 

Cece

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Itt may well be Actinomycetes bacteria rather than fungal mycelium that you see growing. I had the same with mine this year. It's what gives off the earthy smell. I think I'm right in saying that a couple of varieties fix nitrogen


Yes your right could very well be. Not too concerned about that. I th8nk it becomes an issue more so with controlled conditions when growing mushrooms.

Did you find you still had mycelium growth in yours?
 

cows r us

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Yes your right could very well be. Not too concerned about that. I th8nk it becomes an issue more so with controlled conditions when growing mushrooms.

Did you find you still had mycelium growth in yours?
No I haven't seen any yet. Interestingly I've seen really good fungal growth in some stuff that went anaerobic that I then started to turn.
 

Cece

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Ok,

I used fish hydrosolate for moisture so I expected a lot of fungal activity. May well be brewing in the centre.

Have you used the compost on the land or just for teas?
 

cows r us

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Ok,

I used fish hydrosolate for moisture so I expected a lot of fungal activity. May well be brewing in the centre.

Have you used the compost on the land or just for teas?
I compost farm yard manure and spread it on our arable crops. Don't use teas. I'm not convinced by it yet and logistically I'm not sure how it would work on a large scale.
 

Kiwi Pete

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No! :)

And that's the good news... like all good things in life, no news is good news, as far as I'm concerned - my land is still in good heart, just like last year, so my homebrew tack either did absolutely nothing or worked a treat :):)

Which neatly demonstrates a healthy soil is a self-supporting soil; a large percentage of solar energy is going into the soil, as the pasture species have ample.

It's really difficult to know whether this stuff "works" or whether it is all just working.
 

Yale

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That's what Patsy and Spike were trying to get through the gate for, @hendrebc - "the smelly bucket" :ROFLMAO:

Just as well it is all snake oil - sheep here don't get anything other than a clostridial vaccine - no wormings, no tail dockings, no vitamin jabs or any other formal mineral inputs - just a range of self-help options and old fashioned decisionmaking.

I personally believe it doesn't matter how you encourage diversity and introduce minerals and micronutrients into your farm biome, eventually they restore the health and resilience and balance to all within :cool:

More common is the belief that one product will fix things that have been going wrong over time - this is not something I really believe to be true - you need to interpret the clues and read the land

However if all depleted and degraded soils had a little bit of biochar to help provide the habitat for new life, it would speed the process immensely - a tiny crumb of crystallised carbon is basically a 3D city for microorganisms to inhabit, and very durable compared to a soil pore.

Put it through a ruminant's digestive system and it stands to reason it comes out the far end 'ready-to-go-to-work'

With an oar! :ROFLMAO:
I just stir them, compost tea may be different but kelp floats, so mixing is needed... an air compressor and a lance might work as well but this stuff has a whiff, so it sat well away from the workshop :oops:

But yeah, I think the best way to use the char is not to simply throw it out on the land and let microbes find it; but rather put it through an animal or soak it in a biologically active brew of tea for a day and then apply it.

Yep @ShooTa I used plastic detergent drums from the dairy farm next door, half filled them with chopped kelp and covered with rainwater for a start, (winter) then added other compostables as they grew during the growing season (comfrey, nettles, docks etc) and let all the hoverflies larvae break it down and die in there :rolleyes:

I also put a fair bit of seafood byproduct in the drums, I do a bit of diving and fishing and all the guts go in :ninja::sick:

So it is more of a witches' cauldron than a hot composting method, I only kept one drum with just kelp in it for the stock and put the other stuff in the remaining drums.
Once the end of summer rolls around and the soil moisture comes up is when I apply liquid :)
however the char can be applied anytime with no visible difference in effect, but cool damp weather helps keep the biology alive until the soil covers it/stock trample it into the surface/worms bury it

So, that's a wrap-up of last years experiment.
This spring I aim to just use IBCs and put washed kelp in whole, it breaks down almost completely and is very very rich in
calcium, sodium, sulphur, potash, selenium, iodine, to name a few.
It contains almost all the amino acids.
Natural forms of gibberellin and other plant hormones.

So it really is quite a boost, and I don't get too fussy about coverage, but just get it on :cool: I use a boomjet with large nozzles to apply liquid, it will handle quite large particles and covers 18 metres at a bout.
What’s the latest on your bio char production?

How is this seasons compost tea brewing exercise going,it must be well advanced by now?
 

Kiwi Pete

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What’s the latest on your bio char production?

How is this seasons compost tea brewing exercise going,it must be well advanced by now?
I haven't done much processing of my woodheap for the biochar, yet, as it's pretty dry here yet so a fire risk.

But I am underway with building a decent Johnson-Su bioreactor which I'm going to get up and running shortly, just need a trip to town for a bigger holesaw.

My intention is to use some sun-dried seaweed in the brew, and then extract liquid for pasture application :cool: will keep you posted, after the festive season :facepalm:
 

Horn&corn

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We spread cow slurry (Little more than dirty water) using an umbilical Contract crew. Would compost tea work if it was mixed in with the slurry or added to the line as pumped or do folk think it just Would just get lost in the system? Really want to try improving soils (although they already seem pretty good compared to neighbours)
 
Yes. I only make small amounts but it is really good stuff so long as it is activated/colonised with something IMO it is like bare white toast otherwise - just a base
Put some yeasts or bacterium in a slurry with clover seeds and just take a small bucket and trowel and throw it on sidlings etc where the fertility has been robbed by grazing activity is what I do.
I inoculate with kefir yoghurt via dosing the stockwater and tend to just use my seaweed compost tea brew, some molasses and stir up 100 litres at a time.

I have a really simple and inefficient TLUD type biochar kiln, not a proper retort style one - just a fuel drum and chimney with a one inch airgap - I don't have heaps of feedstock but tend to put all my hedgings and tree waste through it when dry :cool:

I also use really good biochar that has been soaked in seaweed through a trough and the stock will follow me down the road if I carry my blue bucket :) they absolutely love biochar.
 
This sounds much the same as worm juice (compost liquer) that I have been keen to give a go when I have some spare time to create an apparatus for making and extracting it effectively. Although I believe worm juice can be diluted quite heavily which it sounds like tea cannot.
How long do you brew the tea for?
 

The Ruminant

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Thought this might fit in here, a commercial on farm approach
This was an interesting but very frustrating video. He had built a broad acre version of the Johnson Su compost bioreactor but they glossed over its design. Apart from the daily watering system I couldn’t see how it was naturally aerated not how it was simplified compared to the original system. Did I miss something?
 

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