- Location
- Limousin, France
18% cattle nut, 331@€ for a 4 tonne drop.(£278)
Heard yesterday triticale 310€ sold to co-op. Cheaper at the moment to buy in!
Heard yesterday triticale 310€ sold to co-op. Cheaper at the moment to buy in!
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The Seeker
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Varleys up £6.00 per ton , £30 if you were not fixed in / whatever that is. At some point the maths won’t work even if it’s farmer man maths
livestock 1
Member
There’s big price rises for most feed in April and May of 10% or more on each occasion
- Location
- 200 miles N,NW of New York
Aye, and next winter prices could start with a 4
livestock 1
Member
Not sure how we will deal with that. Feeding cattle might be getting little and often instead of bigger feeds. It’s still limited what can be done we need reflection in what we are selling or else the prospects are not good
The Seeker
Member
Tbh if they keep passing the buck down to the farmer time and time again I could quite happily shut up shop , I’m getting sick of all the sh!t anyway.
livestock 1
Member
Because they can. We have usually seen price rises of a few pounds per tonne on feed at the end of the month which is bad enough. Last year at the end of April lamb finishing pellets went up by somewhere near £30 a tonne. A number of farmers commented on the higher value of hoggs being the reason the firms had room to do this. Not sure if it works this way.
This year the rises in April and May are supposed to be somewhere between £30 and £60 and there’s lifts in both months which is pretty crippling for all of us. Admittedly it’s outside issues causing this.
The Seeker
Member
Yeah I guess , I have 2 businesses the other non farming is an eye opener to profit. Yes for me it’s only another 300 quid to the end of the season but then what another 2-3-5k a year forget it I can actually make more without it. If lambs don’t average 135 this year then screw it.
livestock 1
Member
I think there’s a lot of folks thinking the same way. It’s going to be interesting what happens in a year or two. I’ve never experienced escalating costs like this
The Seeker
Member
Yep and as bps is eroded then f**k it. Im
Simply done supporting the in the gb public in the search for cheap food , I’m happy to do it if I get a sub but no sub no food , I’ll leave it to all 20 somethings who say they that they can do it with nothing more than a dog , a truck and 100 meters of electric fence. Crack on boys
Simply done supporting the in the gb public in the search for cheap food , I’m happy to do it if I get a sub but no sub no food , I’ll leave it to all 20 somethings who say they that they can do it with nothing more than a dog , a truck and 100 meters of electric fence. Crack on boys
livestock 1
Member
You can say you can do anything when you aren’t actually doing it
The world is full of them
I can’t get my head around all these increases.
livestock 1
Member
Yes that’s because it’s very likely that you’ve been doing it long enough to know if you are on the right side of things or not and it doesn’t take a genius to work out that the thin margin won’t cover it all as things stand at present. The issue is that we’ve already invested in our stock to get it where it is now so we have to carry on and see it through to sale we are already on the boat so to speak. By the time we sell we will know what to be doing going forward, if stock prices lift significantly we carry on as normal if not we need a rethink. Or that’s my thoughts anyway
Speaking to someone this week and they said that you will have to be ready to ride out this storm.
- Location
- 200 miles N,NW of New York
It's very challenging times for farmers just now, with prices on all fronts going up by the week, who knows where it will end, the arable men must be happy with barley over £300 a tonne at minute, but as all farmers the price on inputs have gone up.
All this talk of food shortage looming, I not so sure, as of yet I have to meet a farmer cutting back on anything, yes there is talk on here about it, but on the ground, all seem to be buying fert, fuel and other inputs just the same with hope of higher prices next season, except for 1.
Trouble is farming is like a long term thing, you cannot shut shop for a month or so, and come back when times have settled,
The one that is taking a year out is not growing crops this year, but after buying fertiliser last September for this year, has decided to sell the fert on with a huge profit, and let some of the ground out, he says he will make more money for less work.
However when it comes to getting back in after a year or so out of it, the cash flow will not be there to do it. Once you're off the wheel sort of speak, then be very hard to get back on it again.
I can see the likes of Russia, holding the world to ransom over fert etc after the sanctions put against them in current times, yet export grain to flood the market and keep prices down for the west, whether feed prices drop or not I am not sure on that.
I can see it will be no better for farmers profit margins, yet will be handling twice or more the amount of money to generate same income as before, the problem starts when not the cash to cover costs, this will hurt a lot, and not just farmers.
It is really time the government should see this problem looming, yet not so sure a government hand out to farmers would be the right approach,.
The bloody red tape needs to be cut, and let farmers farm, not be paper jockeys, as for Peckham and the likes, they think farmers are destroying the environment, yet it is them farmers that have created it over hundreds of years.
A good bit of food shortages would do the world of good for farmers on the whole,
Let the Karen's suffer a bit, let it eat into the money they have to spend.
Along with higher energy bills it will hurt the poor the worst, that is not good at all for the poor, as the rich it will be chicken feed for them ,
The down side of any big lifts in farm gate prices, will lead to higher prices for land,
This is ok if your selling, but no good if your buying, yet I can see land prices with a 50% increase in the next 10 years, as money from non farming will be attracted to it.
Back to feed prices, I can see more home grown feed being the way forward and a return to mixed farming across the UK, both in the arable and livestock sectors, arable men for FYM, and livestock men for home grown feed,
Next winter it well may be north of £400 a tonne for compound feed, with the world problems at the moment, which will be fine if the likes of lamb is north of £200, but will it be that high, who will buy it
All this talk of food shortage looming, I not so sure, as of yet I have to meet a farmer cutting back on anything, yes there is talk on here about it, but on the ground, all seem to be buying fert, fuel and other inputs just the same with hope of higher prices next season, except for 1.
Trouble is farming is like a long term thing, you cannot shut shop for a month or so, and come back when times have settled,
The one that is taking a year out is not growing crops this year, but after buying fertiliser last September for this year, has decided to sell the fert on with a huge profit, and let some of the ground out, he says he will make more money for less work.
However when it comes to getting back in after a year or so out of it, the cash flow will not be there to do it. Once you're off the wheel sort of speak, then be very hard to get back on it again.
I can see the likes of Russia, holding the world to ransom over fert etc after the sanctions put against them in current times, yet export grain to flood the market and keep prices down for the west, whether feed prices drop or not I am not sure on that.
I can see it will be no better for farmers profit margins, yet will be handling twice or more the amount of money to generate same income as before, the problem starts when not the cash to cover costs, this will hurt a lot, and not just farmers.
It is really time the government should see this problem looming, yet not so sure a government hand out to farmers would be the right approach,.
The bloody red tape needs to be cut, and let farmers farm, not be paper jockeys, as for Peckham and the likes, they think farmers are destroying the environment, yet it is them farmers that have created it over hundreds of years.
A good bit of food shortages would do the world of good for farmers on the whole,
Let the Karen's suffer a bit, let it eat into the money they have to spend.
Along with higher energy bills it will hurt the poor the worst, that is not good at all for the poor, as the rich it will be chicken feed for them ,
The down side of any big lifts in farm gate prices, will lead to higher prices for land,
This is ok if your selling, but no good if your buying, yet I can see land prices with a 50% increase in the next 10 years, as money from non farming will be attracted to it.
Back to feed prices, I can see more home grown feed being the way forward and a return to mixed farming across the UK, both in the arable and livestock sectors, arable men for FYM, and livestock men for home grown feed,
Next winter it well may be north of £400 a tonne for compound feed, with the world problems at the moment, which will be fine if the likes of lamb is north of £200, but will it be that high, who will buy it
livestock 1
Member
I spoke to a feed rep yesterday he was quoting the price rises in April and May which in all fairness to him he warned me about a month ago. He also was saying that there was tens of thousands of hectares of wheat and barley which are now off the market one way or another in Ukraine. I won’t quote the amounts as it seems unbelievable. He still thought they would have some type of harvest but not a full output one.
I also think the government should have acted before now to give farmers an incentive to grow. As you said not a hand out but some minimum cushion payment or insurance that at least most of the inputs would be recovered in the event of some collapse.
There’s pages and pages of farmers warning of food shortages and reliance on imports no one has listened and still no one is listening.
Reading on here and hearing folks views elsewhere we are generally keen to provide food for a profit everything is in place to do it seems silly not to be getting on with it
Father had an ADAS advisor in the 80’s Frank Grimshaw very clever fella and all round nice bloke and family friend he always warned of this happening I often think about this
I also think the government should have acted before now to give farmers an incentive to grow. As you said not a hand out but some minimum cushion payment or insurance that at least most of the inputs would be recovered in the event of some collapse.
There’s pages and pages of farmers warning of food shortages and reliance on imports no one has listened and still no one is listening.
Reading on here and hearing folks views elsewhere we are generally keen to provide food for a profit everything is in place to do it seems silly not to be getting on with it
Father had an ADAS advisor in the 80’s Frank Grimshaw very clever fella and all round nice bloke and family friend he always warned of this happening I often think about this
Aren't they doing something in Eire, paying farmers to grow crops, this government are total fecking idiots, heads stuck up their own backsides, where do they think the food is going to come from and not only this year!!
livestock 1
Member
Absolutely. Yes there’s incentives in other places I think. You are right it just doesn’t all appear it takes time and they don’t realise that.
Have you been to London? I’ve only been a few times maybe four times at a guess. When you are there it’s easy to feel like you are in your own little bubble pretty secure and everything is there at hand for you. No thought of where anything comes from or what effort goes into it.
Yes I have been to London, as you say in their own bubble. Why didn't the NFU give Eustice a real grilling a few weeks ago, I did see Ollie agri try but everyone at that conference should of stood up and asked the question, and not let him get away with, oh just spread some more organic matter. WTF.
livestock 1
Member
There’s something a miss with the NFU. They aren’t speaking on our behalf and haven’t for a while whatever is a miss I don’t know.
A few years ago I rang them up in the drought about fodder and straw burning, I eventually got to someone who knew about it but they didn’t know about the seriousness of the matter most didn’t know there was a shortage of fodder. They rang me back and said I could have a few broken bales from the power station