Conversion of farm buildings to dwellings - new rules April 6th.

[Farmer1001]

The General Permitted Development rules for converting Ag buildings into dwellings change on April 6th, the property size and number of dwellings creates PD has increased along with other slight changes. In addition the size of general purpose Ag buildings that can be built under permitted development has increased from 465 metres to 1000 (subject). We have done 4 conversions on our farm and for others (100% success), if you want any help, then feel free message.

 

[SEMI-RETIRED]

Still have to wait 10 years for buildings erected post 2013?

 

[Farmer1001]

Still have to wait 10 years for buildings erected post 2013?[/QUOT

Still have to wait 10 years for buildings erected post 2013?

Yep, if you erected the building Class A(a) or Class B(a) of Part 6 of the GPD Schedule, then yes 10 years must expire before you can apply and the proposed legislation does not appear to sway from this position.

 

[Still Farming]

Stone sheds or metal portal types ?

 

[Farmer1001]

Stone sheds or metal portal types ?

Either, do you have a specific building in mind?

 

[Nearly]

@dannewhouse

 

[Still Farming]

Either, do you have a specific building in mind?

Not sure -Welsh Gov. May have different veiws, and the Local Authority will Definitely have crazy veiws again ?
What would or could say a 60x40x 16 steel galv shed be?

 

[Penmoel]

Don't think it applies in Wales we have our own government dont you know


And don't get me started on berluddy Ceredigion council

 

[bovrill]

In addition the size of general purpose Ag buildings that can be built under permitted development has increased from 465 metres to 1000 (subject).

That's interesting...
Subject to what?
I must admit I expected that the permitted development would be withdrawn because of abuse of loopholes rather than be expanded.

 

[Farmer1001]

Not sure -Welsh Gov. May have different veiws, and the Local Authority will Definitely have crazy veiws again ?
What would or could say a 60x40x 16 steel galv shed be?[/QUO

Not sure -Welsh Gov. May have different veiws, and the Local Authority will Definitely have crazy veiws again ?
What would or could say a 60x40x 16 steel galv shed be?

these rules and changes are relevant to Engla

That's interesting...
Subject to what?
I must admit I expected that the permitted development would be withdrawn because of abuse of loopholes rather than be expanded.

its not been 'expanded', it's actually been more defined to achieve its objective and bring in line with other policy.

 

[Nearly]

That's interesting...
Subject to what?
I must admit I expected that the permitted development would be withdrawn because of abuse of loopholes rather than be expanded.

The less said about loopholes the better. It was designed to open up the system and generate spending in the local area. Working well here, I've run out of money again.

 

[bovrill]

Too many permitted development 465m sheds going up, sitting empty for two years, then converted to storage round here. I've heard of people putting a new one up every two years on every holding they've got.
As in non farmers doing it, speculators with a bit of land.

 

[Steevo]

Too many permitted development 465m sheds going up, sitting empty for two years, then converted to storage round here. I've heard of people putting a new one up every two years on every holding they've got.
As in non farmers doing it, speculators with a bit of land.

Surely if you convert to storage....you’d scupper your chance of any future PD buildings on the site?

 

[Nearly]

Too many permitted development 465m sheds going up, sitting empty for two years, then converted to storage round here. I've heard of people putting a new one up every two years on every holding they've got.
As in non farmers doing it, speculators with a bit of land.

Saw one yesterday at Harrogate, in the corner of a field with what must have been a 30 degree roof pitch and stunning views over open countryside.

 

[bovrill]

Surely if you convert to storage....you’d scupper your chance of any future PD buildings on the site?

It's permitted development, generally regarded as unscupperable! That's the loophole.

 

[Steevo]

It's permitted development, generally regarded as unscupperable! That's the loophole.

And the council aren’t fussed about granting change of use?

 

[franklin]

It's permitted development, generally regarded as unscupperable! That's the loophole.

Great way to get the country building things though - by denying councils and grumblers the ability to scupper things. If sheds are built; houses converted; industrial units produced then thats a big tick for the economy. I think they have figured out that local plans and all that gubbins just bring things to a dead-stop.

 

[bovrill]

And the council aren’t fussed about granting change of use?

They don't seem to be. Two years is a long time for a bureaucrat, their memories don't go back that far! Plus, if the use has changed before the application is put in, what councillor is going to kill those jobs and turn down that new income from rates?

Great way to get the country building things though - by denying councils and grumblers the ability to scupper things. If sheds are built; houses converted; industrial units produced then thats a big tick for the economy. I think they have figured out that local plans and all that gubbins just bring things to a dead-stop.

I don't really have anything against it happening, except I assumed that it would kill the permitted development for genuine farmers, and that appears not to be the case.

 

[Still Farming]

See FG on FB annouce it also ?

 

[Badshot]

So remind me of the rules for putting up a barn under pd .
In any field is OK?