Covid Vaccine Roll out.

[essex man]

The real point is that the vast majority of the deaths are vaccinated most likely not because the vaccine doesn't work but because they not dying of covid just with it, just as they have been all along.
The cold symptoms experienced by the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike are enough to kill old.people just as the other common colds always have done.

 

[essex man]

Not sure whether you are doing it deliberately or you just don't grasp the English language very well but for both our sakes let's drop it eh? You aren't going to answer for whatever reason so we'll move on.

The point is that 10% of the deaths being among the unvaccinated is a tiny amount of deaths, some of those would have died anyway because the vaccine doesn't save the 90%, so you are left with a tiny number of deaths. This number is irrelevant in terms of public health and is not a reason to get vaccinated.

 

[Raider112]

The point is that 10% of the deaths being among the unvaccinated is a tiny amount of deaths, some of those would have died anyway because the vaccine doesn't save the 90%, so you are left with a tiny number of deaths. This number is irrelevant in terms of public health and is not a reason to get vaccinated.

So if 90% of us were vaccinated you are saying there is no difference percentage wise between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. That surprises me as you are the only one that says that. Can you show the evidence for that please from a REPUTABLE source? Sorry for asking you the same question so many times when I know you won't answer it but you keep answering with unrelated or irrelevant stuff rather than dropping it as I suggested.

 

[essex man]

So if 90% of us were vaccinated you are saying there is no difference percentage wise between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. That surprises me as you are the only one that says that. Can you show the evidence for that please from a REPUTABLE source? Sorry for asking you the same question so many times when I know you won't answer it but you keep answering with unrelated or irrelevant stuff rather than dropping it as I suggested.

I posted the ONS figures!

 

[essex man]

So if 90% of us were vaccinated you are saying there is no difference percentage wise between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. That surprises me as you are the only one that says that. Can you show the evidence for that please from a REPUTABLE source? Sorry for asking you the same question so many times when I know you won't answer it but you keep answering with unrelated or irrelevant stuff rather than dropping it as I suggested.

I am saying 90%of the deaths are vaccinated people, it's in the figures I posted.
I think you are talking about something else??

 

[Raider112]

I am saying 90%of the deaths are vaccinated people, it's in the figures I posted.
I think you are talking about something else??

You know I'm talking about something else. I have been on the same subject since I first asked the question. You've merely found several ways of avoiding having to answer it. The question is relevant as if you can answer it that there is no difference percentage wise between the two groups it should be worldwide news so that we can make an informed decision. We know there is a difference as you would have decided you understood the question if you could give the answer you wanted. The only conclusion I can reach is that you are happy to try to convince people that they don't need to be vaccinated and you don't care if they suffer the consequences of your agenda. You don't want to be vaccinated, absolutely fine, telling people they don't need it? a bit suspect, telling people they don't need it by twisting and evading to avoid the facts? Shameful.

 

[essex man]

You know I'm talking about something else. I have been on the same subject since I first asked the question. You've merely found several ways of avoiding having to answer it. The question is relevant as if you can answer it that there is no difference percentage wise between the two groups it should be worldwide news so that we can make an informed decision. We know there is a difference as you would have decided you understood the question if you could give the answer you wanted. The only conclusion I can reach is that you are happy to try to convince people that they don't need to be vaccinated and you don't care if they suffer the consequences of your agenda. You don't want to be vaccinated, absolutely fine, telling people they don't need it? a bit suspect, telling people they don't need it by twisting and evading to avoid the facts? Shameful.

Correct to a degree, I am certain from the figures and experience that for the majority is does more harm than good.

 

[essex man]

You know I'm talking about something else. I have been on the same subject since I first asked the question. You've merely found several ways of avoiding having to answer it. The question is relevant as if you can answer it that there is no difference percentage wise between the two groups it should be worldwide news so that we can make an informed decision. We know there is a difference as you would have decided you understood the question if you could give the answer you wanted. The only conclusion I can reach is that you are happy to try to convince people that they don't need to be vaccinated and you don't care if they suffer the consequences of your agenda. You don't want to be vaccinated, absolutely fine, telling people they don't need it? a bit suspect, telling people they don't need it by twisting and evading to avoid the facts? Shameful.

You disputed my figure and it is correct , as you now admit

 

[Raider112]

Correct to a degree, I am certain from the figures and experience that for the majority is does more harm than good.

Congratulations, you just found another way of avoiding the question

 

[essex man]

You know I'm talking about something else. I have been on the same subject since I first asked the question. You've merely found several ways of avoiding having to answer it. The question is relevant as if you can answer it that there is no difference percentage wise between the two groups it should be worldwide news so that we can make an informed decision. We know there is a difference as you would have decided you understood the question if you could give the answer you wanted. The only conclusion I can reach is that you are happy to try to convince people that they don't need to be vaccinated and you don't care if they suffer the consequences of your agenda. You don't want to be vaccinated, absolutely fine, telling people they don't need it? a bit suspect, telling people they don't need it by twisting and evading to avoid the facts? Shameful.

I am not twisting the facts! which number am I twisting???

 

[essex man]

Congratulations, you just found another way of avoiding the question

You posted your speculation of a percentage, which I think is probably correct, but it's irrelevant.
I have not disputed your unposted figures, just think they are irrelevant for reasons I have previously explained.
You have disputed what I said and I have posted evidence to show I am correct

 

[essex man]

You know I'm talking about something else. I have been on the same subject since I first asked the question. You've merely found several ways of avoiding having to answer it. The question is relevant as if you can answer it that there is no difference percentage wise between the two groups it should be worldwide news so that we can make an informed decision. We know there is a difference as you would have decided you understood the question if you could give the answer you wanted. The only conclusion I can reach is that you are happy to try to convince people that they don't need to be vaccinated and you don't care if they suffer the consequences of your agenda. You don't want to be vaccinated, absolutely fine, telling people they don't need it? a bit suspect, telling people they don't need it by twisting and evading to avoid the facts? Shameful.

Let me explain why the actual numbers matter...
If one person in a million is unvaccinated and that person dies "of covid" then 100% of the unvaccinated people die.
If you use that percentage to scare people into taking a vaccine that kills say 5 people in a million then there is an obvious problem

 

[Raider112]

You posted your speculation of a percentage, which I think is probably correct, but it's irrelevant.
I have not disputed your unposted figures, just think they are irrelevant for reasons I have previously explained.
You have disputed what I said and I have posted evidence to show I am correct

Hahaha I'm not even going to try to decipher that. An absolute waste of time, I said we were wasting our time on this a while ago but you kept coming back with more riddles. You've got me beat with this one, I'm out.

 

[Raider112]

Let me explain why the actual numbers matter...
If one person in a million is unvaccinated and that person dies "of covid" then 100% of the unvaccinated people die.
If you use that percentage to scare people into taking a vaccine that kills say 5 people in a million then there is an obvious problem

You finally got it! Now you need to find the actual figure rather than a hypothetical one.

 

[essex man]

You finally got it! Now you need to find the actual figure rather than a hypothetical one.

No I have understood all along and not disputed it.
You have talked about a figure, you find it... it's irrelevant!
I talked about a different figure, you disputed it, I proved it.

 

[ollie989898]

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Very slowly the truth comes out

How does the actual number of cases make a fudge of odds?

The number of deaths from lack of hospital care was the government's main (and basically only) concern.

 

[essex man]

How does the actual number of cases make a fudge of odds?

The number of deaths from lack of hospital care was the government's main (and basically only) concern.

You mean 'nhs 3 weeks from being overwhelmed "?

 

[ollie989898]

You mean 'nhs 3 weeks from being overwhelmed "?

I don't think the number of people deemed positive by PCR was ever a factor in the NHS becoming overwhelmed or not. What would overwhelm the NHS was shed loads of people suddenly turning up expecting medical care in an era where medical care services have fastidiously trained themselves since the 1980's to get people in the door, turned around and back out again as rapidly as possible to ensure sufficient capacity.

 

[Charlie Gill]

How does the actual number of cases make a fudge of odds?

The number of deaths from lack of hospital care was the government's main (and basically only) concern.

I got a few frowns for saying this before: healthcare crisis, not health crisis.

 

[oval]

How does the actual number of cases make a fudge of odds?

The number of deaths from lack of hospital care was the government's main (and basically only) concern.

The number of cases was constantly used to scare the population , it was the test that was used to decide whether you were aloud to leave the house or not I guess accuracy would be important if you were following the science