Crew cab pickups to be taxed as cars from July

[Funny Farmer]

Get a flat bed sprinter van that can deliver and/or tow as much as far as HMRC are concerned.

you know as well as I do ‘needing’ to tow is a get out clause. Salesmen are salesmen, get a van to do the deliveries or use a haulage company.

I suspect the new big thing in the salesman community will be fiesta sized vans to continue with the BIK flat rate commercial tax. I can’t imagine a full size transit would be very cool to be seen in.

Dunno some of those crew cab trannys look quite cool and apparently

are a nice drive.

 

[TomD]

As I said if it’s that important that they are able to tow off road to a demo they either pay the BIK tax on a twin cab pick up or get a single cab to continue on with the cheap rate BIK

One of the first loop holes being closed down …will affect me but it won’t be the last loop hole shut down chances are some of the ones shut down next will affect you I wonder if you’ll be so vocal then

 

[PI Stsker]

One of the first loop holes being closed down …will affect me but it won’t be the last loop hole shut down chances are some of the ones shut down next will affect you I wonder if you’ll be so vocal then

I’ve got a commercial disco with the seats put back in so this does affect me. However i know it’s a loop hole so exploited it until it’s closed and move on to thinking about the next one.

 

[Funny Farmer]

One of the first loop holes being closed down …will affect me but it won’t be the last loop hole shut down chances are some of the ones shut down next will affect you I wonder if you’ll be so vocal then

It is a real worry what they will look at next, they have flushed untold billions down the pan with the covid fiasco and are now looking at every possible way to recoup some tax £££s. Under the conservatives we were as farmers to a degree sheltered from some of the wilder revenue raising ideas like ending APR or putting business rates on farms. Now Labour look almost certain to be the next government all bets are off!

 

[Will Blackburn]

It is a real worry what they will look at next, they have flushed untold billions down the pan with the covid fiasco and are now looking at every possible way to recoup some tax £££s. Under the conservatives we were as farmers to a degree sheltered from some of the wilder revenue raising ideas like ending APR or putting business rates on farms. Now Labour look almost certain to be the next government all bets are off!

I don't think much will change, be worse off if the Tories get in and abolish IHT.

 

[76masseyman]

I’ve got a commercial disco with the seats put back in so this does affect me. However i know it’s a loop hole so exploited it until it’s closed and move on to thinking about the next one.

But will it ? I know of the same type of vehicles, with the exact same thing done as yours, but these ’are’ commercial vehicles, bought as a commercial, with the extra seats added, so will always be a commercial.
I’m led to believe that the Transit / VW transporter / Sprinter type vehicles will only be classed as commercial if fitted with front seats only.

 

[JP1]

Get a flat bed sprinter van that can deliver and/or tow as much as far as HMRC are concerned.

you know as well as I do ‘needing’ to tow is a get out clause. Salesmen are salesmen, get a van to do the deliveries or use a haulage company.

I suspect the new big thing in the salesman community will be fiesta sized vans to continue with the BIK flat rate commercial tax. I can’t imagine a full size transit would be very cool to be seen in.

Same could be said for many farmers with a top drawer 4x4 (as opposed to a pick up )

 

[TomD]

I’ve got a commercial disco with the seats put back in so this does affect me. However i know it’s a loop hole so exploited it until it’s closed and move on to thinking about the next one.

So the loop hole has been closed as the likes of you’ve blatantly taken the pee by putting seats back in a commercial discovery

 

[ollie989898]

Dunno some of those crew cab trannys look quite cool and apparentlyView attachment 1164446 are a nice drive.

I'm sorry but a blinged up pick-up I can sort of understand, but a blinged up transit van is a step too far.

 

[PI Stsker]

So the loop hole has been closed as the likes of you’ve blatantly taken the pee by putting seats back in a commercial discovery

Don’t hate the player hate the game pall. My discovery looks and smells like there’s calf’s deep littered in the back of a £60k car.
the people who have really f**ked it is the plumbers / sparkies wives using them through the Buisness for the school run. But equally it’s a loop hole, your stupid if you don’t exploit it just don’t get upset when the loop hole gets closed…

 

[Breakthru]

Only new ones from July apparently. Have till 2008 with old ones so I have been told

 

[kiwi pom]

Sad news for the many that will genuinely be hit ( not just the reps that keep being mentioned ) like the vast amount of farm managers, who don’t actually live on site, so don’t leave it ‘at the place of work’, and do use the vehicle as it’s designed intended.
Taking a couple of staff out to another site, or running them back to the yard after a long day’s harvesting up the road, whilst still needing to carry a gas gun to the pigeon infested rape field and extra string to the baler man, as well as collecting some drums of hydraulic oil for a blown pipe on the potato harvester in the middle of a field. And then hoping for a little trip out with the wife and kids during his or her odd couple of free hours at the weekend.
The quarry manager, very similar. The electrician I know that has one, as he needs good off road ability for some of the places he has to visit, that are at the arse end of nowheresville, and has a young family, so chose this type of dual purpose vehicle.

I get that some self-employed business owners might be worse off but a farm manager?
They're employees, they need the vehicle (allegedly) to carry out their work, so it's the boss's problem surely. It's a work vehicle, leave it at work.

How much worse off will they be?

 

[Breakthru]

Stop buying double cabs very rarely anyone in the back seats anyway.
Employees up from 66 per month to 290 per month and from132 to 580 per month for higher rate taxpayer

 

[TheRanger]

Don’t hate the player hate the game pall. My discovery looks and smells like there’s calf’s deep littered in the back of a £60k car.
the people who have really f**ked it is the plumbers / sparkies wives using them through the Buisness for the school run. But equally it’s a loop hole, your stupid if you don’t exploit it just don’t get upset when the loop hole gets closed…

Most of these sparkies / plumbers will be self employed, so it wont make any difference to them.

 

[PI Stsker]

I get that some self-employed business owners might be worse off but a farm manager?
They're employees, they need the vehicle (allegedly) to carry out their work, so it's the boss's problem surely. It's a work vehicle, leave it at work.

How much worse off will they be?

Well yes that’s the long and the short of it. If you don’t use it for personal and leave it at work there’s no BIK tax attached. But if the ol’ bill catch you at the school gate or Tesco technically insurance is invalid etc… I fear allot of people are suddenly realising how cushy they’ve had it with the farm supplying a nice truck to go out in on weekends and all these lot who ‘don’t get paid bugger all’ are suddenly going to come unstuck.

 

[Cowabunga]

Well a sales rep doesn't need a 4x4 XXL pickup truck. They are the very people who have abused the system which is now being clamped down penalising the genuine self employed farmer or tradesman.

Except it doesn’t. Only employees who are given company trucks which are available for their private use will pay this high rate of BIK tax. Just allocate trucks as being pool trucks available to any driver.
For the majority of truck owners and users, this is all about nothing.

 

[Cowabunga]

Well yes that’s the long and the short of it. If you don’t use it for personal and leave it at work there’s no BIK tax attached. But if the ol’ bill catch you at the school gate or Tesco technically insurance is invalid etc… I fear allot of people are suddenly realising how cushy they’ve had it with the farm supplying a nice truck to go out in on weekends and all these lot who ‘don’t get paid bugger all’ are suddenly going to come unstuck.

The insurance will not be effected because they should still tax and insure them as for private and business use. Just as with the VAT element, these issues/taxes are not ‘joined up’.

 

[Cowabunga]

I’ve got a commercial disco with the seats put back in so this does affect me. However i know it’s a loop hole so exploited it until it’s closed and move on to thinking about the next one.

There’s no loophole there. Unless you have paid and not reclaimed the VAT you are basically cheating the taxman of his VAT. Lot’s have done it but that doesn’t make it legal. It might depend on whether you have glazed second row doors, but since Grenadier don’t qualify for VAT I suspect that neither does yours after conversion.

 

[JP1]

Only new ones from July apparently. Have till 2008 with old ones so I have been told

Time machine.

 

[Cassia]

I’ve got a commercial disco with the seats put back in so this does affect me. However i know it’s a loop hole so exploited it until it’s closed and move on to thinking about the next one.

It’s not a loophole , it’s flat out in breach of their regulations (which I disagree with) and come a vat inspection or similar , you will be caught . This was the case long before this weeks ruling .