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[hoff135]

The government and media seems to be hung up on "test and trace" and the pursuit of a vaccine.

Surely the time has come to establish exactly how many people have had cv.

I have seen estimates ranging from 1million to 19million.

New research is finding that many more people have had it and never showed symptoms. Asymptomatic cases could be as high as 50 or even 80%

Case fatality rate may actually be under 1%

The argument continues as to how long immunity lasts, with many seemingly trying to paint as bleak a picture as possible. However they seem unable to prove that you can get cv again either.

Surely knowing how many have had it is of absolute importance?

 

[Chae1]

The government and media seems to be hung up on "test and trace" and the pursuit of a vaccine.

Surely the time has come to establish exactly how many people have had cv.

I have seen estimates ranging from 1million to 19million.

New research is finding that many more people have had it and never showed symptoms. Asymptomatic cases could be as high as 50 or even 80%

Case fatality rate may actually be under 1%

The argument continues as to how long immunity lasts, with many seemingly trying to paint as bleak a picture as possible. However they seem unable to prove that you can get cv again either.

Surely knowing how many have had it is of absolute importance?

They still don't seem to be having a widespread rollout of antibody test?

Amazing the amount of people you speak to who "think" they've had it.

 

[Highland Mule]

The government and media seems to be hung up on "test and trace" and the pursuit of a vaccine.

Surely the time has come to establish exactly how many people have had cv.

I have seen estimates ranging from 1million to 19million.

New research is finding that many more people have had it and never showed symptoms. Asymptomatic cases could be as high as 50 or even 80%

Case fatality rate may actually be under 1%

The argument continues as to how long immunity lasts, with many seemingly trying to paint as bleak a picture as possible. However they seem unable to prove that you can get cv again either.

Surely knowing how many have had it is of absolute importance?

Quite a few in some parts of the country, very few in others.

 

[Muck Spreader]

They still don't seem to be having a widespread rollout of antibody test?

Amazing the amount of people you speak to who "think" they've had it.

I suspect most of the early cases just had season flu, as the mortality rates don't don't correlate with large numbers of undiagnosed Covid-19 cases. But, as the earliest case in France was retrospectively diagnosed on the 16th November, who knows for certain.

 

[Exfarmer]

It is believed through the limited number of testing of people showing resistance, ie have had it , reveals about 5% . It has always been assumed to get herd immunity we need about 60% of the population to have survived a dose.
it is believed nearly 10% of Londoners have been exposed and nearer 3% outside

 

[DaveGrohl]

I suspect most of the early cases just had season flu, as the mortality rates don't don't correlate with large numbers of undiagnosed Covid-19 cases. But, as the earliest case in France was retrospectively diagnosed on the 16th November, who knows for certain.

This info about it being in France then is why a lot of people have some time for the theory that it was being spread earlier than originally believed. I have time for it as I know quite a few people who had symptoms unlike any previous flu symptoms, my wife included. This virus gets more and more mysterious. I hope we do actually manage to get some answers in time.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I suspect most of the early cases just had season flu, as the mortality rates don't don't correlate with large numbers of undiagnosed Covid-19 cases. But, as the earliest case in France was retrospectively diagnosed on the 16th November, who knows for certain.

Are you confusing the first date in China with France?
I thought France was late December?

"According to an unpublicized report from the Chinese government, the first case can be traced back to 17 November 2019; the person was a 55-year old citizen in Hubei province"

So it's a bloody French virus? !!!

 

[Kidds]

I had the exact symptoms in December, so did Mum, missus had nothing. Sounds typical of the virus and if it were in March I think the doctors would say I had it. I don't get colds never mind flu-like anything. Haven't been to a doctor in over 15 years and rarely suffer from anything (ie. I am not a hypochondriac)

As for the latest advice, I don't think the government could organise a drink in a brewery successfully and that goes for any government we ever have. The only places that seem to have got any hold on the virus are countries with rigorous and extensive testing.

 

[Kidds]

Are you confusing the first date in China with France?
I thought France was late December?

No, they tested a sample from an earlier "pneumonia" victim and it was confirmed covid-19

 

[Exfarmer]

The first French confirmed sample was taken from the husband of a Charles de Gaulle airport worker on the 27th. December.
this was confirmed in April I believe, after the Government there tested samples from all flu and pneumonia sufferers from the Preceding few months.
it is not known how he contracted the disease , but it is believed his wife passed it onto him either by having the Caught the disease assympomatically or indirect contact

 

[Kidds]

Ah yes, seems I was wrong.
He would have been infected 10-14 days prior to that though given how long it takes to become that ill.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Ah yes, seems I was wrong.
He would have been infected 10-14 days prior to that though given how long it takes to become that ill.

Was it known that covid killed him from the info or was covid found but didn't kill him?

 

[Kidds]

Don't think he died.
I think they had retained a sample and it was much later that someone wondered if it could possibly have been covid and found it was. I thought it was November but Google says not.

 

[livestock 1]

From what I gather after you’ve had it you could either get it again or build up antibodies so you can’t get it again.
They haven’t got a test sorted for this yet or not a widespread one anyway
I think

 

[Muck Spreader]

This info about it being in France then is why a lot of people have some time for the theory that it was being spread earlier than originally believed. I have time for it as I know quite a few people who had symptoms unlike any previous flu symptoms, my wife included. This virus gets more and more mysterious. I hope we do actually manage to get some answers in time.

Are you confusing the first date in China with France?
I thought France was late December?

"According to an unpublicized report from the Chinese government, the first case can be traced back to 17 November 2019; the person was a 55-year old citizen in Hubei province"

So it's a bloody French virus? !!!

I posted this about it on the 15th of May, I see it was actually the 18th not the 16th November:

The French have now found a person who was admitted to hospital in the Alsace with pneumonia on November 18th and had a MRI scan at the time. A subsequent review of these old scans has revealed he most likely had Covid-19. He was in an area that has a lot of Chinese tourists for the Christmas markets.

 

[arcobob]

They still don't seem to be having a widespread rollout of antibody test?

Amazing the amount of people you speak to who "think" they've had it.

When they announce they have "had it" I usually ask if they enjoyed it. For some I am sure it is a badge of honour but I am sure that many more have been infected than anyone will ever know about.

 

[RushesToo]

This is a useful graph to see the effect that COVID is having on excess deaths:

Global Deaths Due to Various Causes and COVID-19

A Flourish data visualisation by Tony Nickonchuk

public.flourish.studio

 

[Exfarmer]

When they announce they have "had it" I usually ask if thy enjoyed it. For some I am sure it is a badge of honour but I am sure that many more have been infected than anyone will ever know about.

This is why we so desperately need massanti body testing. However the limited results so far indicates only London has reached 10% infection rate. rest of country about 3%
last weeks survey of 19,000 people Only revealed 87 were actually Currently infected . The worst part was that less than 25 of those 87 actually reportedany sign of disease.
i had a little insight in this survey as my wife was one of those chosen to take part. Not sure if we are thankful she was negative, not that I wish her ill , but if she was infected without knowing it, would be a weight off the mind

 

[Lowland1]

This is why we so desperately need massanti body testing. However the limited results so far indicates only London has reached 10% infection rate. rest of country about 3%
last weeks survey of 19,000 people Only revealed 87 were actually Currently infected . The worst part was that less than 25 of those 87 actually reportedany sign of disease.
i had a little insight in this survey as my wife was one of those chosen to take part. Not sure if we are thankful she was negative, not that I wish her ill , but if she was infected without knowing it, would be a weight off the mind

What if the majority of the population are immune. What if the majority will never catch it. No one seems to know how infectious it really is or maybe it's just a disease of a certain demographic either the old or those who have a reduced immunity due to their existing health conditions. Look at China surely it should have spread like wildfire before they worked out what they had 11 million in Wuhan but only 80,000 or so infected in China in total it will take a long time to put all the data together.

 

[Tim s]

I suspect most of the early cases just had season flu, as the mortality rates don't don't correlate with large numbers of undiagnosed Covid-19 cases. But, as the earliest case in France was retrospectively diagnosed on the 16th November, who knows for certain.

I have the flu jab every year. In early February I spent 3 nights sleeping in a chair as I felt like I was drowning when I laid down in bed. Felt absolutely shite and exhausted