Dairy sideline

[Agrispeed]

True I was just asking peoples opinion about an idea that came to me over breakfast and suddenly im getting attacked for not having a contract agreed

Because people's opinion is to see if you can get a contract first.

All your threads have a common theme of disregarding views or advice if you don't like it. If you ask for advice and opinions and then get all stroppy when you get some, you have yet to give anyone any feedback on what type of system you are interested in, breeds etc so its difficult for anyone to say anything other than A) see if you can get a contract and B) tell us more about your proposed system.

You can't say you are being attacked when people offer perfectly sensible advice and then you give a complete rubbish of a reply. You arse.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Because people's opinion is to see if you can get a contract first.

All your threads have a common theme of disregarding views or advice if you don't like it. If you ask for advice and opinions and then get all stroppy when you get some, you have yet to give anyone any feedback on what type of system you are interested in, breeds etc so its difficult for anyone to say anything other than A) see if you can get a contract and B) tell us more about your proposed system.

You can't say you are being attacked when people offer perfectly sensible advice and then you give a complete rubbish of a reply. You arse.

#AskHole

 

[Hilly]

Could you not bottle it and flog it yourself, bloke down here flogging milk in glass bottles reckons its going real well folk noveltyised with glass bottles and they not like plastic any more and they like home delivery again.

 

[unlacedgecko]

If the buyer wants a flush of spring milk. Know 2 that have only got contracts by calving in July onwards. Many will not give you a contract. Hence the "speak to the local buyers first"

That may be true but not if the local milk supply won't stand it.

There are powerful incentives for doing the opposite from many milk buyers. Some of our local ones want to make Cheese all year round, they can't cope with massive flushes of milk all spring. They need constant supply to keep their expensive factories busy.

It’s pretty moot tbh. Even if he actually was serious about putting in a dairy there’s no way he’d have a share milker. I get the impression BF is the type of guy who rather have 100% of £50/cow profit than 50% of £600/cow profit...

 

[Fossil]

sounds like a challenge to me, i dont mind that and no stranger to hard work, you overstate the complexity though there are jobs out there far more technical

Very few in far

It’s pretty moot tbh. Even if he actually was serious about putting in a dairy there’s no way he’d have a share milker. I get the impression BF is the type of guy who rather have 100% of £50/cow profit than 50% of £600/cow profit...

could you imagine working in partnership with him....?

 

[TomB]

#AskHole

Mainly this

It’s pretty moot tbh. Even if he actually was serious about putting in a dairy there’s no way he’d have a share milker. I get the impression BF is the type of guy who rather have 100% of £50/cow profit than 50% of £600/cow profit...

But this kind of gives you an answer to what’s possible, the very best dairy farmers will be making good money, but they will be skilled, committed and hard working. Its probably easier to lose 600/cow than make it, so having a share milker would be great to help limit your losses!!

 

[Bossfarmer]

Because people's opinion is to see if you can get a contract first.

All your threads have a common theme of disregarding views or advice if you don't like it. If you ask for advice and opinions and then get all stroppy when you get some, you have yet to give anyone any feedback on what type of system you are interested in, breeds etc so its difficult for anyone to say anything other than A) see if you can get a contract and B) tell us more about your proposed system.

You can't say you are being attacked when people offer perfectly sensible advice and then you give a complete rubbish of a reply. You arse.

At this moment in time i dont want a contract i just want to do a rough cost comparison and see what peoples opinions on it are, if i decide its the way to go i will certainly go looking for a contract

 

[farmerdan7618]

At this moment in time i dont want a contract i just want to do a rough cost comparison and see what peoples opinions on it are, if i decide its the way to go i will certainly go looking for a contract

Then at this point, work out what you think it will cost to produce this milk, not what profit will be made.
You will then know what price you need to sell the milk for to be worthwhile. You will always be able to sell it on the spot market without a contract, but if it is 10p and needs moving to the other side of the country the profit will be very different to 35p collected.

 

[holywell farmer]

Because people's opinion is to see if you can get a contract first.

All your threads have a common theme of disregarding views or advice if you don't like it. If you ask for advice and opinions and then get all stroppy when you get some, you have yet to give anyone any feedback on what type of system you are interested in, breeds etc so its difficult for anyone to say anything other than A) see if you can get a contract and B) tell us more about your proposed system.

You can't say you are being attacked when people offer perfectly sensible advice and then you give a complete rubbish of a reply. You arse.

Is it difficult to obtain a milk contract ?

 

[tinto]

Is it difficult to obtain a milk contract ?

Read the last seven pages!!

 

[lloyd]

At this moment in time i dont want a contract i just want to do a rough cost comparison and see what peoples opinions on it are, if i decide its the way to go i will certainly go looking for a contract

Why don't you put your own ideas of proposed costs on here
and see what people make of it?

 

[BiomassMan]

At this moment in time i dont want a contract i just want to do a rough cost comparison and see what peoples opinions on it are, if i decide its the way to go i will certainly go looking for a contract

How can you work out your costs when you dont know what tyoe of contracts are on offer?

If you work out spring calving costs and the only contract you can get is an autumn calving biased one, the costs you have worked out are useless.

 

[holywell farmer]

Read the last seven pages!!

Cheers

 

[Agrispeed]

Is it difficult to obtain a milk contract ?

Yes and no. I Knew what type of system I wanted to run but didn't have any specifics in place (although I knew a rough COP, which is a lot easier on a low cost system). I called up milk buyers and asked when they wanted milk and what would they pay. I could then design my system as far as possible around the most profitable and secure milk price. If I asked for a spring calving contract I suspect I would've been told to pee off.

I had a milk contract before I had a farm, cows or a parlour. Before I did any of this I visited and worked on half a dozen farms to see what systems I enjoyed and suited me. I did endless gross margins and 5 year cashflows which my mates ripped to pieces to see if it was possible and secure.

There is probably 10+ppl difference in COP between different systems. Do we even know the basics, Breed, calving pattern, grazing block etc?

Lets see some gross margins.

 

[holywell farmer]

Yes and no. I Knew what type of system I wanted to run but didn't have any specifics in place (although I knew a rough COP, which is a lot easier on a low cost system). I called up milk buyers and asked when they wanted milk and what would they pay. I could then design my system as far as possible around the most profitable and secure milk price. If I asked for a spring calving contract I suspect I would've been told to pee off.

I had a milk contract before I had a farm, cows or a parlour. Before I did any of this I visited and worked on half a dozen farms to see what systems I enjoyed and suited me. I did endless gross margins and 5 year cashflows which my mates ripped to pieces to see if it was possible and secure.

There is probably 10+ppl difference in COP between different systems. Do we even know the basics, Breed, calving pattern, grazing block etc?

Lets see some gross margins.

Venturing into dairy farming isn't something that do on a wim!

 

[Weasel]

Dairying is NEVER a sideline. It is full on commitment 24/7/365

I suggest dairying is not for you

Dairys a hobby that makes serious £££, better off than us suckler boys

 

[tinto]

Dairys a hobby that makes serious £££, better off than us suckler boys

Don't know many hobbies that allow you to start at 4.20am

 

[Weasel]

Why not just milk hill cow like Galloways? Kept on the hill all year, have 4 teats, one for its calf 3 for milk contact! I bet i Could produce just as good milk without the skinny milk machines you dairy boys have who seem to love chasing their tail

 

[holywell farmer]

Maybe try buy into an existing milk set up

 

[Weasel]

Don't know many hobbies that allow you to start at 4.20am

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