Christoph1945
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Dealing with depression - suicidal thoughts - Join the conversation (including helpline details)
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And your city is???
Somewhere on the coasts of Mediterranean
Christoph1945
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I once spent some time in Istanbul before they built any bridges over the Bosporus and the only way to the Asiatic side and back was by ferry boat and I met the great beauty and kindness of Islam. Seven months in Izmit and a week in Izmir augmented my time in Turkey.
Loved the autumn in Stanbul; with the setting sun off setting the city skyline and the smell of wood-smoke in the air as street venders roasted chestnuts in the street. Or the smell of the sea near the Galata Bridge, as guys used hand lines to catch fish, gut and fillet them, cook them on the spot, and serve them in a quarter loaf; the freshest fish and bread that you would ever wish to eat.
Loved the autumn in Stanbul; with the setting sun off setting the city skyline and the smell of wood-smoke in the air as street venders roasted chestnuts in the street. Or the smell of the sea near the Galata Bridge, as guys used hand lines to catch fish, gut and fillet them, cook them on the spot, and serve them in a quarter loaf; the freshest fish and bread that you would ever wish to eat.
You dont have right to complain, it is your responsiblity to stand up and fight. "Because the life does not give you what you want but it gives you what you deserve !". Keep going when it hurts and left %99 of people behind who give up. "Do not say why the pain?, do not say why me ? Say TRY ME !. When there seems to be no hope of victory, when you dont see the results, hang in there, be strong, be brave, remain disciplined .... and your time will come."
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That's good from a motivational angle.
But sometimes I wake up in the morning completely devoid of the will to face anything and faced with torrent of negativity from those nearest and dearest. Everything seems absolutely and utterly hopeless. So much of the machinery is broken down, etc that it's hard to know where to start. But I haven't given up. Just keep pecking away and slowly slowly we get through. Yes new problems add to the list but as long as I have not completely stalled then I think I am doing alright. Refill the bird feeder, reset the mole trap, build up speed gradually. Rome wasn't built in a day. That kind of thing. And appreciate being alive and much more fortunate than many. Don't overthink it and don't always believe that working hard is the solution. Working smart is better.
What is your aim in long term ?
I have heard from some friends that South Koreans are work addicts and the hardest working people on the World but they are also the most inefficient working people. Still Koreans have achieved many things and develop quite fast because they are disciplined, like as Japan.
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My long term aim is to keep this farm running profitably and sustainably, to improve it and to leave it better shape than I found it. I am not really driven by money, more by building soil organic matter and using techniques that do as little damage to the environment as possible. We do need to make enough profit to pay the bills though.
I like to keep things as simple as possible and cannot abide complexity or being held over a barrel by other people.
That's it really.
I like to keep things as simple as possible and cannot abide complexity or being held over a barrel by other people.
That's it really.
Asked because you sound a bit aimless in the other post and I was going to say "maybe you should determine some aims to add some excitement in your life". Still I have somethings to say lol. You said you want to keep it simple as possible but you also want to improve it, do you not think that things improving have to get complicated as well ?
Christoph1945
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Perhaps you could have put it more briefly 'Oh, pull your self together!'
Christoph1945
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Not my sentiment, I must add.
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Those are all very important questions and I am glad that you ask them.
You are right that we have to accept some complexity at times if we are to make progress. However, sometimes if we can keep it simple it is better. Complex systems tend to be more prone to failure in my experience. There is more to go wrong. My business has become too complex. Too many different enterprises and crops create a lot of overhead.
I do have general aims to simplify the business and reduce overheads. The livestock will go eventually and we will concentrate on zero till crops as far as possible.
These aims might not sound very exciting. They have modified as I have got older. Initially I just wanted to drive a bus, then I wanted to be an engineer which I achieved then to return to farming. I am satisfied with my own progress through life really. The only thing that goes wrong at times is complete and absolute loss of motivation to do anything really. I can't explain it, but I can manage it. Generally I just have to let it pass then carry on again. I suppose I get daunted by the size of the task in front of me at times but once I get started I often wonder why I was so worried about it. It is also a sort of laziness I suppose.
We all experience the same loss of motivation, this is our nature, not a psychological disorder, like as day and night. We just need to learn deal with it, need to discover how to motivate ourself back as quickly as possible etc. Focusing on comprehensive aims makes it misty and less attractive, I think, instead we should focus on more specified and concrete aims, not to focus on building the wall but to focus on putting the next brick as perfect as possible.
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Yes that's a very constructive way of looking at things. I still think we do need high level general aims to give us general direction. But yes we also need concrete aims on a weekly basis otherwise it is very easy to waste a lot of time pontificating and procrastinating on things.
Yes I was trying to say that, aim is the wall but focus is on the brick.
Christoph1945
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Sounds good Tom. 
I watched Kirk Duglas on tv today and he spoke about his depression and said that he coped with it by concentrating on others, rather than on himself. I think that he was also something of a keep-fit fan.
I watched Kirk Duglas on tv today and he spoke about his depression and said that he coped with it by concentrating on others, rather than on himself. I think that he was also something of a keep-fit fan.
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It's an awful lot easier and more sustainable to manage "complexity" than "complication" in my experience
As per my post a few pages back about holistic management, one of the big "set me free" steps was to try to see complexity as a whole, complete but interconnected to everything else
There is literally so much going on underground; now, I could dissect it all and attempt to understand it all but we can't - so I just put it in the "complex" tray and leave it alone
"Complicated" was what I used to do, it's what I now avoid whenever possible, it can be a matter of organisation and it can be a matter of not giving a toss.
Appreciation of complication doesn't help, appreciation of complexity does.
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I think maybe life is also about being able to live with almost permanent aggravation and problems as well, like this weather. I just accept now that its rubbish and I cannot do any single bit of landwork on the farm comfortably, satisfactorily or ever completely finish it and I will waste huge amounts of effort and money this year due weather disruption.
Its not me. Its what I am surrounded with. I am bound to feel a bit downcast. I am not clinically depressed or anything like as bad as some folk, but I think that feeling a bit low is just natural really. We can't expect happiness all of the time. Life just isn't like that, though I would settle for a day per week of it.
Folks say keep off booze, and keep off caffeine but at the moment that doesn't leave much joy quite frankly.
Its not me. Its what I am surrounded with. I am bound to feel a bit downcast. I am not clinically depressed or anything like as bad as some folk, but I think that feeling a bit low is just natural really. We can't expect happiness all of the time. Life just isn't like that, though I would settle for a day per week of it.
Folks say keep off booze, and keep off caffeine but at the moment that doesn't leave much joy quite frankly.
What is your zodiac sign ? Pisces or Cancer or Scorpio ?
Edit: Looked at your birthdate and your sun sign (Taurus) does not support your emotional state but your moon sign (Capricorn) may be effective about your anxiety.
"Let’s get down to business. People born with a Capricorn moon sign in their natal chart are well-known for their reputation as the CEO of the zodiac. A Capricorn moon sign is highly ambitious, and tend toward leadership-oriented roles. They can often take on a lot of responsibility, assuming the guise of a parental/provider type, much like those born with their Sun in Capricorn.
If your moon is in Capricorn, chances are you’re programmed to achieve success and accolades with ambition like no other. But sometimes, a Capricorn moon sign can forget that they have their own wants and desires that need to be fulfilled. While they’re “like a rock” in most times of hardship, a Capricorn moon sign can sometimes feel resentful, angry or frustrated from putting their obligatory duties before their own heart’s desires.
Another challenge for a Capricorn moon sign is that they have a big challenge facing them: the task of openly facing their feelings and asking for what they really want. Ruled by Saturn, the zodiac’s teacher, a Capricorn moon sign can learn how to dig deep into their minds and hearts for the answers and take responsibility for their problems, rather than playing the victim. "
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