Dear Donald (Tusk)

[digger64]

If this doesn't infer that the average leaver is thick, I don't know what does.

You beat me to it !

 

[fudge]

If this doesn't infer that the average leaver is thick, I don't know what does.

OK sorry for the offence. Leave voters come in all shapes and sizes.

 

[caveman]

OK sorry for the offence. Leave voters come in all shapes and sizes.

Thank you. There will be no more asides from me to you.

 

[linga]

Eh? I was in favour of being a member of the eu. I voted to remain. The referendum is over the result was clear. Time to move on, I have never been in favour of ignoring the result. My opinion and it is only an opinion is that lazy politicians blame our own problems on the EU.
I am entitled to my opinion and have a right to express it. Which I did during the referendum campaign. In 1970 I was six years old.
Your the one
describing the masses as of sub average intelligence. Displaying your usual Neanderthal disregard for other people's opinions.

You may well be right about this but now( or in a relatively short time) they wont be able to and then they will be directly accountable to the UK electorate.

 

[Bankville]

You may well be right about this but now( or in a relatively short time) they wont be able to and then they will be directly accountable to the UK electorate.

That may be the one good thing about brexit, but then if your MP doesn't take their seat at Westminster maybe not

 

[caveman]

That may be the one good thing about brexit, but then if your MP doesn't take their seat at Westminster maybe not

Next job for Nige....... meaningfull electorial reform?

 

[Bankville]

Next job for Nige....... meaningfull electorial reform?

Send him over to Stormont

 

[fudge]

You may well be right about this but now( or in a relatively short time) they wont be able to and then they will be directly accountable to the UK electorate.

Define short period of time.

 

[fudge]

Next job for Nige....... meaningfull electorial reform?

Steady on caveman, if that is achieved even I will think brexit was worthwhile.

 

[Muck Spreader]

@Muck Spreader You always put your view across sensibly not hysterically so I ask you what you would have done. The UK always has been more reserved 're the EU and have never been given a chance since joining to directly express our concern about tge ever closer union . We are not the only people concerned at this and yet the big names running the EU constantly talk of drawing closer its getting close to a federal system but they have no mandate for any of this or closer political ties.It is this combination of political arrogance, conceit and downright lack of accountability that made the majority here vote to leave. It may be bumpy and it may not be the best economic decision (it may be ) .But at least it is our decision and that is the nub of it.

Blimey, you could write several essays on it. IMO as you say the UK has never been fully sold on the EU and with some justification. Our primary concern in the 60's was the ability to trade with the major European countries as opposed to the other members who were also looking at cooperation and regulation as a way of preventing future conflict, disagreements and ensuring food security. The problem with the EEC was it was good for trade, but member countries subsequently got upset about national subsidies being paid out to certain industries or H&S rules, labour regulations, etc being advantageous. So to stop a country giving certain industries unfair advantages more and more of these rules and regs were harmonised. Looked like a reasonable idea, but the whole system has steadily grown into a bit of a monster interfering in many unnecessary areas.

Having said that I think on the whole our EU diplomats and staff have been far more influential than most EU countries and have done an outstanding job over the years of keeping the UK out of things that wouldn't be in our interest and influencing rule changes where they may have been a problem to us. Lets hope they can do the business again particularly with regard to the free movement of EU citizens. This will probably be what any free trade agreement hinges on. Maybe if the UK introduced an ID card as most European countries have already and Europe reintroduces some forms of boarder control both of which we desperately need at the current time, we could have the basis of an agreement. Qui sait

 

[Old McDonald]

The government may have signed off parts of treaties which involved closer ties but it was never put to the public. First time and that's the result.

You must know that we - the UK voter, have been asked twice. The original referendum was on 5th June 1975. That was when we were asked to vote on whether or not we wanted ever closer economic and political union.

There was plenty of heavyweight political force behind the out vote - people like Enoch Powell, Michael Foot, Barbara Castle, etc. There were others that I cannot recall.

Both Harold Wilson and Margaret Thatcher urged their party members and supporters to vote to remain in the EEC. They won by 2 to 1. Note it was already called the European Economic Community. It later became the European Union. One of the most interesting things to me was the official "out" position of the non English political parties - Scotland, Wales and N.I. national parties all being behind the out campaign. So was the National Front, and, I think, but not sure, the communists.

Successive governments have not signed to parts of Treaties they have signed to all of the Treaties.

I remember much of that time, because I was young, and certain it was an extremely bad move on the part of the UK to have joined and remain a member of such an organisation. Why would any sane UK person want to be part of an ever closer economic and political union with countries against which we had been fighting for a lot of the previous thousand years? Can you really imagine these people would suddenly become our best mates? Apparently two thirds of the voters did, I was not one of them.

 

[Hindsight]

You must know that we - the UK voter, have been asked twice. The original referendum was on 5th June 1975. That was when we were asked to vote on whether or not we wanted ever closer economic and political union.

. Why would any sane UK person want to be part of an ever closer economic and political union with countries against which we had been fighting for a lot of the previous thousand years? Can you really imagine these people would suddenly become our best mates? Apparently two thirds of the voters did, I was not one of them.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but I must say what a crass statement.

 

[czechmate]

Both my granddads would agree with you. Both having been in the trenches then going through the horror of 39/45, they KNEW that war was not as glamorous as it comes over in the films, so therefore knew it was a good plan to become friends

 

[wanton dwarf]

Exactly, and many of these will now move some or all of their jobs, finance and expertise somewhere else.

The UK jobs funded by UK-EU-UK money will most likely disappear ... and quite frankly thank god.

Have a watch of this:

And realise that all of that money could have been put into education to provide much better jobs for local people.

It's sickening.

 

[Old McDonald]

No need to apologise for thinking I am crass. I respect your right to think that way. No doubt many people would agree with you.

We will soon find out what they really think when it comes to the negotiations. Punishment? Oh how they have longed to be able to put one over on the Brits. I can see them failing though.

I agree tht no deal is better than a bad deal. Do you? Or do you think our "friends" of the last 40 years will be kind to the UK?