Death of Diesel Cars

[Lincsman]

I've had the unfortunate pleasure to read most of this thread , I wish I hadn't started .

I'm no wiser about what people think will happen to diesel cars !
Will they get phased out over the next few years or is this just the environment lobby making lots of noise.
If its right and it is the end of the diesel engine then lease hire might be the way to go for my next car as the if PX value of big diesel cars is under pressure in the next few years from the knock on effect of the phasing out of diesels .
Or will it go the other way with people wanting the last of the diesel cars ,AKA the Landrover Defender effect .

Whats on the road will still be used, there are cars that could have had the £2000 scrappage still in use, they may get restricted in cities, but then the zero tax disc low emission VAG cars that arent, are still allowed in central London without charge.

More to the point is the higher repair cost of newer ones also now with ad-blue thats becoming a killer against a petrol one.

 

[JP1]

Rapid.

Changed both cars for electric last year, from diesel
Changed ride on mower from petrol to electric.
Our Nissan Leaf, if we write it off when the battery warranty expires (8 years) will be cheaper than continuing to run our 8 year old diesel corsa.
Once you have driven electric, there is no turning back

Stephen

I might still have to turn back early , my day could not be achieved by public transport nor by electric car with the ranges currently

 

[JP1]

REGULATORS; PLEASE PASS A LAW MAKING IT ILLEGAL TO DESCRIBE ELECTRIC CARS AS ZERO EMISSIONS

 

[sjt01]

I might still have to turn back early , my day could not be achieved by public transport nor by electric car with the ranges currently

The Tesla has 250 miles usable range at the legal limit, 40 minutes to add 200 miles at a Supercharger. New Zoe range is much improved.
Stephen

 

[JP1]

The Tesla has 250 miles usable range at the legal limit, 40 minutes to add 200 miles at a Supercharger. New Zoe range is much improved.
Stephen

I'm not in Tesla territory

I drive many a day for a 450mile round trip and would have to stop somewhere for a charging point

I tend to plan a very long day with many appointments in a defined area or in a circular route. Until there is an equivalent electric model at an affordable price with a 600 mile+ range or easy to re-charge at a standard domestic or farm electric outlet, I can't see how I can change

 

[SilliamWhale]

I'm not in Tesla territory

I drive many a day for a 450mile round trip and would have to stop somewhere for a charging point

I tend to plan a very long day with many appointments in a defined area or in a circular route. Until there is an equivalent electric model at an affordable price with a 600 mile+ range or easy to re-charge at a standard domestic or farm electric outlet, I can't see how I can change

But then you could have a petrol no?

 

[JP1]

But then you could have a petrol no?

Yes or even a hydrogen powered car in the future. True

My point is that I now rarely go in to London or other ultra urban environments and , if I do, I make alternative arrangements for the dogs and drive to a station and take the train.

You pay more tax on BIK for a diesel car but they were always traditionally more economical for the employer and at one time the propaganda machine was making high CO2 petrol vehicles anti-social

It's 1030 this morning and I am having a coffee. I reckon on a rural run in Herefordshire I have been through eight temporary traffic controlled sections (roadworks). Only three were active in work, two the workforce had clearly finished the day or day(s) before. Algorithms and road design could massively reduce congestion also but nobody is interested in that way of reducing NOx and particulants and everything is done to make road users feel guilty.

I just don't buy it

 

[oldoaktree]

But then you could have a petrol no?

Or a hybrid

 

[oldoaktree]

Yes or even a hydrogen powered car in the future. True

My point is that I now rarely go in to London or other ultra urban environments and , if I do, I make alternative arrangements for the dogs and drive to a station and take the train.

You pay more tax on BIK for a diesel car but they were always traditionally more economical for the employer and at one time the propaganda machine was making high CO2 petrol vehicles anti-social

It's 1030 this morning and I am having a coffee. I reckon on a rural run in Herefordshire I have been through eight temporary traffic controlled sections (roadworks). Only three were active in work, two the workforce had clearly finished the day or day(s) before. Algorithms and road design could massively reduce congestion also but nobody is interested in that way of reducing NOx and particulants and everything is done to make road users feel guilty.

I just don't buy it

Neither do I but rural people are a minority that have no say .

 

[phillipe]

The Tesla has 250 miles usable range at the legal limit, 40 minutes to add 200 miles at a Supercharger. New Zoe range is much improved.
Stephen

What about when it's -3,heaters and wipers going ,when you have the trailer on with 3bill bags of sand on board ,how does ones very ungreen Tesla do then,

 

[sjt01]

What about when it's -3,heaters and wipers going ,when you have the trailer on with 3bill bags of sand on board ,how does ones very ungreen Tesla do then,

Uses more, just as diesel and petrol do! Only you don't notice so much as you don't have second by second monitoring

 

[deleted user 837354]

People wont be so keen to muller electric vehicles when they prove operable at 1 tenth the cost of their hydrocarbon equivalents.

Tesla model S is £12 a fill up and many places you can do it for free.

Model S is circa 50K which isnt so crazy considering.

 

[Pasty]

Lot's of folk have set themselves against electric just because.....

For some it may not suit, such as @JP1 . The tech is not there yet. But let's be honest, JP1 is not your typical motorist from what he says. So yes, EV is a way off for JP's daily needs.

When we bought our latest family motor, the thing against the Leaf is that we didn't do enough milage to justify the higher cost. But it wasn't so far off. In the end we bought an older but very low mileage petrol and decided that would do us to 2020 when things may be very different.

For many people, an EV is going to make a whole lot of sense and they are getting better and cheaper by the minute. Don't think this isn't coming. It is . Sooner than many think.

All I want is Tesla to make that L200 equiv truck with ludicrous mode and I'll be a happy man.

 

[Lincsman]

What gets me is at the end of that charging flex can be an oil fueled power station.

 

[oldoaktree]

I'll take electric hybrid car / pickup/SUV any day I only buy diesel for mpg .
I only get 260 miles out of full tank from defender
400 from RR sport
This is why I'm asking what will happen to diesel cars will the drop in price or be in demand

 

[oldoaktree]

I'll take electric hybrid car / pickup/SUV any day I only buy diesel for mpg .
I only get 260 miles out of full tank from defender
400 from RR sport
This is why I'm asking what will happen to diesel cars will they drop in price or be in demand

 

[Paddington]

Most of us have probably had the experience of running out of petrol or diesel (usually at night !), but what happens in the case of an electric car running out of juice ? Do you carry an extension lead and just hope to come to a stop outside a house where they will let you stick your lead through their catflap for an hour or so ?

 

[oldoaktree]

Most of us have probably had the experience of running out of petrol or diesel (usually at night !), but what happens in the case of an electric car running out of juice ? Do you carry an extension lead and just hope to come to a stop outside a house where they will let you stick your lead through their catflap for an hour or so ?

To be honest I've never run out juice in a car ! Once you know how far you can go in electric car you'll get used to it - won't you

 

[agrimax]

Most of us have probably had the experience of running out of petrol or diesel (usually at night !), but what happens in the case of an electric car running out of juice ? Do you carry an extension lead and just hope to come to a stop outside a house where they will let you stick your lead through their catflap for an hour or so ?

Carry the diesel Lister Startomatic in the boot................!

 

[deleted user 837354]

What gets me is at the end of that charging flex can be an oil fueled power station.

As far as I know the UK no longer has any oil burning power stations, Tony Blair in a policy shift changed them all to gas turbine technology.

Anyway, even if you were to burn petrol or diesel in a power station instead of gas or coal, it would still be cleaner and more efficient than doing the same in a car, plus the emissions can be scrubbed at source.