Death of Diesel Cars

[Roger Perry]

Most here do not flout wealth, while we admire people who started with nothing and made a great fortune and lesser mortals too.........it's still not good form to talk about it. (That's one reason DT got slammed during election)

 

[Pasty]

Stuck in a rut? That sounds pretty angry.

No, just saying what a lot of other people are probably thinking. Il tolerate most things in life, but someone who brags about money, they deserve nothing in my eyes.

I still fail to see how you can draw a comparison between the average motorist and thier diesel car, and some "progressive" farmer who keeps trying to force his own idealist mantra onto everyone else by shouting it as loud as he can at every opportunity[/QUOTE]
If you are talking about Clive, I've never heard any bragging about money. I haven't read all his threads but what I have read is enthusiasm for a particular method and the benefits it brings. If you think anyone on a forum can 'force' you to do something then you need to get off the internet, surely. I could shout all day about the brilliant way I raise my pullets, all taken from someone else. I wouldn't be bragging or trying to make money. Suggest you find out what you are actually pee'd off about.

 

[John 1594]

No, just saying what a lot of other people are probably thinking. Il tolerate most things in life, but someone who brags about money, they deserve nothing in my eyes.

I still fail to see how you can draw a comparison between the average motorist and thier diesel car, and some "progressive" farmer who keeps trying to force his own idealist mantra onto everyone else by shouting it as loud as he can at every opportunity

If you are talking about Clive, I've never heard any bragging about money. I haven't read all his threads but what I have read is enthusiasm for a particular method and the benefits it brings. If you think anyone on a forum can 'force' you to do something then you need to get off the internet, surely. I could shout all day about the brilliant way I raise my pullets, all taken from someone else. I wouldn't be bragging or trying to make money. Suggest you find out what you are actually pee'd off about.[/QUOTE]


I suggest you go back and re-read post 36 of this thread, particularly the first paragraph....

 

[Wellytrack]

Stuck in a rut? That sounds pretty angry.

No, just saying what a lot of other people are probably thinking. Il tolerate most things in life, but someone who brags about money, they deserve nothing in my eyes.

I still fail to see how you can draw a comparison between the average motorist and thier diesel car, and some "progressive" farmer who keeps trying to force his own idealist mantra onto everyone else by shouting it as loud as he can at every opportunity

John, you have a chip on your shoulder the size of Gibraltar - in nearly every thread you comment upon that becomes painfully obvious, I reckon that says more about you than those you rail against..

 

[Drillman]

I think that even if I miraculously managed to pare my establishment costs down to zero the savings over my current system wouldn't even make the first payment on a 90k motor.

 

[John 1594]

John, you have a chip on your shoulder the size of Gibraltar - in nearly every thread you comment upon that becomes painfully obvious, I reckon that says more about you than those you rail against..

I wouldnt say i have tbh....say what you like though, its what a forum is for.

however, how would you join the argument for a diesel engined car with that of a direct drill? Come on, you have an answer no doubt

 

[Pasty]

If you are talking about Clive, I've never heard any bragging about money. I haven't read all his threads but what I have read is enthusiasm for a particular method and the benefits it brings. If you think anyone on a forum can 'force' you to do something then you need to get off the internet, surely. I could shout all day about the brilliant way I raise my pullets, all taken from someone else. I wouldn't be bragging or trying to make money. Suggest you find out what you are actually pee'd off about.

I suggest you go back and re-read post 36 of this thread, particularly the first paragraph....[/QUOTE]
How do I find post 36? I can't see any numbers. Honest question.

 

[John 1594]

I think that even if I miraculously managed to pare my establishment costs down to zero the savings over my current system wouldn't even make the first payment on a 90k motor.

Or the skiing holiday? Like me, you must be doing it all wrong then

 

[John 1594]

I suggest you go back and re-read post 36 of this thread, particularly the first paragraph....

How do I find post 36? I can't see any numbers. Honest question.[/QUOTE]

post number is next to the "reply" button

 

[Drillman]

Or the skiing holiday? Like me, you must be doing it all wrong then

On no I used to the skiing stuff.

Wife (who doesn't ski and hates the cold) and kids put paid to that......

Anyway I was pretty crap at it as well.

 

[Pasty]

How do I find post 36? I can't see any numbers. Honest question.

post number is next to the "reply" button[/QUOTE]
Thank you. He's making a point though. Why get angry about it? As far as I am aware, Clive rents a lot of land.

 

[John 1594]

post number is next to the "reply" button

Thank you. He's making a point though. Why get angry about it? As far as I am aware, Clive rents a lot of land.[/QUOTE]


so do a lot of other people, does that make them any different?

Not getting angry in the slightest, just find it very tedious when yet another thread turns into why we should all "be like clive"

 

[Bogweevil]

Aaanyway, breath deeply and think happy thoughts such as a car that is powered by wood gas: :

 

[Robt]

Is it wrong to boast about money?
If you work your butt off and take risks, why shouldnt you boast.
If you are an athelete you can boast about being number one.
Why is money any different?
Isnt it ironic to moan about clive and his business decisions on his... Er... Erm forum?
When the original FW website got boring, i bought a domain name to set up a rival to it. Clive did the same. I didnt bother with mine, Clive however Did!

 

[John 1594]

Is it wrong to boast about money?
If you wirk your butt off and take risks, why shouldnt you boast.
If you are an athelete you can boast about being number one.
Why is money any different?
Isnt it ironic to moan about clive and his business decisions on his... Er... Erm forum?
When the original FW website git boring, i bought a domain name to set up a rival to it. Clive did the same. I didnt bother with mine, Clive however Did!

In a word, yes. Its possibly one of the most undesirable traits known to man

 

[Wellytrack]

I wouldnt say i have tbh....say what you like though, its what a forum is for.

however, how would you join the argument for a diesel engined car with that of a direct drill? Come on, you have an answer no doubt

I feel Clive was putting over his views only in defense of justification of his family car choices he mentioned - needlessly in my opinion, he had no obligation to do so, the views he put over are in no way different to yours in a DB thread, or contracting pricing thread, even using your own flawed logic at the top of this post
"say what you like though, it's what a forum is for" why should Clive not also receive the same diplomatic immunity you or I may enjoy?

In reference your your final point, that's not my answer - that would imply finality, or indeed "smugness", I would merely offer it as my opinion.

 

[John 1594]

I feel Clive was putting over his views only in defense of justification of his family car choices he mentioned - needlessly in my opinion, he had no obligation to do so, the views he put over are in no way different to yours in a DB thread, or contracting pricing thread, even using your own flawed logic at the top of this post
"say what you like though, it's what a forum is for" why should Clive not also receive the same diplomatic immunity you or I may enjoy?

In reference your your final point, that's not my answer - that would imply finality, or indeed "smugness", I would merely offer it as my opinion.

whilst using it as a vehicle to put across his actual intended point to ridicule anyone who doesnt think no till is going to save the world

its not so much what he said, more the very in-appropriate way he worded it...those who have been involved in the many, lenghty, prolonged and unfinished arguments between "clives way" and most other peoples way" of establishing a crop on will see the relevance to what im actually getting at.

 

[Deleted User 923763]

I said family car not my cars !


Cayenne or Panamera hybrid's do 90 -120 mpg respectively - the diesel or petrol models are not close .......and are slower ! Same for the Hybrid in Landrovers range

add in some tax advantages and hybrid is becoming a bit of a no brainer

A friend of mine swapped his range rover sport for a Tesla. He walked me through the numbers, I can't remember the details; but he has a firm buy back price, does pretty high mileage, and put the car through his limited company (company car benefit for him). I think the savings were well over a grand a month for three years. Seemed a smart decision, until be used his savings to buy a 110 defender for shooting, etc.....

 

[Pasty]

John, you are talking a load of stroke. I care not what Clive makes or owns. You shouldn't either.

 

[Skimmer]

My cousin works as an engine dissigner in detriot and said a couple of years ago the future would be petrol.