Death of Diesel Cars

Pasty

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Location
Devon
Rapid.

Changed both cars for electric last year, from diesel
Changed ride on mower from petrol to electric.
Our Nissan Leaf, if we write it off when the battery warranty expires (8 years) will be cheaper than continuing to run our 8 year old diesel corsa.
Once you have driven electric, there is no turning back

Stephen
Out of interest, which mower did you get? Our little Stiga drinks petrol like...er...a petrol drinker. Dad just bought a new Kioti mule too and great though it is, I couldn't persuade him to look at the Polaris electric one. Not even sure if you can get it in the UK.
 
The problem may reside in mass producing big rechargeable batteries. Even basic materials like nickel are subject to a supply constraint, add in lithium and cadmium etc etc, and the supply stream might not be large enough to supply all this stuff to meet a huge rise in demand, it will take time to expand them perhaps?

I do think the US and EU should step in an enforce a standardised battery or something so they can be easily recycled though.
 
There is a huge new plant being built in Nevada right now to produce batteries, Elon Musk, (Tesla) persuaded the U.S. government to anti up a few $$$billion of taxpayers cash for it's construction.

I am ever hopeful that his battery technology will prove to be the breakthrough, in a few years we may look back on the early part of the 21st century as the demise of regular engines in auto's...?
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
The problem may reside in mass producing big rechargeable batteries. Even basic materials like nickel are subject to a supply constraint, add in lithium and cadmium etc etc, and the supply stream might not be large enough to supply all this stuff to meet a huge rise in demand, it will take time to expand them perhaps?

I do think the US and EU should step in an enforce a standardised battery or something so they can be easily recycled though.
It will be very difficult to increase or sustain an increase in availability of some materials. Rare Earth for magnets is one such material which has a finite supply controlled by one very aggressively opportunistic country. China.
China produces and owns about 98% of the world's supply and production of rare earth resources. A product that is essential to modern electronics and high efficiency electric motor production.
 
It will be very difficult to increase or sustain an increase in availability of some materials. Rare Earth for magnets is one such material which has a finite supply controlled by one very aggressively opportunistic country. China.
China produces and owns about 98% of the world's supply and production of rare earth resources. A product that is essential to modern electronics and high efficiency electric motor production.

The Chinese are big producers but only because the US has a peculiar way of legislating the rare earth's industry. There are supplies of rare earth materials in the USA, which has mines of every kind within it's borders. The problem is that they are often dug up along with stuff like thorium which is of course regulated rather tightly as it is mildly radioactive.
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
There is a huge new plant being built in Nevada right now to produce batteries, Elon Musk, (Tesla) persuaded the U.S. government to anti up a few $$$billion of taxpayers cash for it's construction.

I am ever hopeful that his battery technology will prove to be the breakthrough, in a few years we may look back on the early part of the 21st century as the demise of regular engines in auto's...?
I see Tesla are looking at building a truck for 2018 to take on the F-150. Should be interesting. Will my 93 Hilux last until then? Of course it will. The driving range of EVs and the charge time are improving all the time as these firms are pumping billions into research. Plus I believe Tesla has it's own recycling scheme? Sure I saw a video on it once. Not much is wasted. Exciting times ahead.
 
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sjt01

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Mixed Farmer
Location
North Norfolk
Out of interest, which mower did you get? Our little Stiga drinks petrol like...er...a petrol drinker. Dad just bought a new Kioti mule too and great though it is, I couldn't persuade him to look at the Polaris electric one. Not even sure if you can get it in the UK.

Its a Huskvarna, very pleased with it.
 

sjt01

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Mixed Farmer
Location
North Norfolk
Funny, just watched a youtube video of one after I asked the question. Looks pretty neat.

The only problem I find is that the deck does not lift high enough to go up kerbs, you have to reverse up. We used to use about 5 l petrol a week, now the charge indicator does not drop from full at all.
 

Godber

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Location
NW Essex
What sort of reaction will classic vehicles receive in the future regarding emissions? Someone will produce the fuels but socially? Would hate to see all our lovely old stuff ostracised
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
What sort of reaction will classic vehicles receive in the future regarding emissions? Someone will produce the fuels but socially? Would hate to see all our lovely old stuff ostracised
If you think diesel is going to go out of fashion in the next 50 to 100 years, think again. There's nothing on the horizon that can power tractors, trucks, trains, or indeed aircraft that will replace diesel and kerosene in that time period. So our current cars and light trucks and whatever else will continue to work, well into the future when you and I and our children and our children's children will have kicked the bucket.
 

bovrill

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Mixed Farmer
Location
East Essexshire
If you think diesel is going to go out of fashion in the next 50 to 100 years, think again. There's nothing on the horizon that can power tractors, trucks, trains, or indeed aircraft that will replace diesel and kerosene in that time period. So our current cars and light trucks and whatever else will continue to work, well into the future when you and I and our children and our children's children will have kicked the bucket.
Hydrogen?
I know there are a lot of problems to iron out, and it's a long way off, but I quite fancy the idea of a wind turbine/solar panels on the farm, producing hydrogen into a storage tank year round, to use in tractors when you need it.
 
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Nearly

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Location
North of York
What sort of reaction will classic vehicles receive in the future regarding emissions? Someone will produce the fuels but socially? Would hate to see all our lovely old stuff ostracised
suddenly the barn finds won't be as valuable?
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Location
Suffolk
Out of interest, which mower did you get? Our little Stiga drinks petrol like...er...a petrol drinker. Dad just bought a new Kioti mule too and great though it is, I couldn't persuade him to look at the Polaris electric one. Not even sure if you can get it in the UK.
I'm a battery fan but I'm not sure if the ride-on machines have the 'umph' yet £ for £ I think they have some way to go. I did however buy an electric walk-behind. already a fan of this manufacturer and one day I'll possibly get a robo-mower....
My new machine is great, little noise, my wife can start it unlke its predecessor, no servicing ie, oil/petrol and it does all we need it to. At present the battery is in its store at the correct temperature & charge awaiting the mowing season. http://www.etesia.co.uk/etesia/pedestrian-mowers/etesia-duocut-46-pacts.html
SS
 
Location
Suffolk
Perhaps the next step for ploughing/land tillage would be a pair of electric machines similar to those fantastic steam ploughing engines that occasionally show up dredging lakes?
Remote control of course!
SS
 
GTL Diesel
simples!
since liquid hydrocarbon appears to be the most effective, well understood, easily handled, energy dense fuel about.
edit: Apologies to the Duck, who said this first, somewhere above.
mth
 
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