Defra now looking at capping SFI

[Right-arm fast]

they haven’t run out of money ( far from it !) and i reckon overall less will end up being claimed on sfi than bps …… it suits some but certainly not all

We are chucking hundreds of millions of cash in to Ukraine which isnt going to stop any time soon, and probably other countries now in the middle east. Train drivers, doctors, teachers (you name it) are on strike for more money, if we arent in a recession now we soon might be so taxes may be down eventually, youve also got the cost of Covid, and they have just cancelled HS2 because they havent got the money which has been incredibly detrimental and damaging to the Conservative party, so that would have been a very difficult decision.
All this has happened after Brexit and the introduction of new environmental schemes. They are only uping the payments on SFI to entice farmers. If we had all signed up the values would be static or dropping as they would have achieved their goal and they would be able to boast this at the general election. This to me points in the direction of DEFRA and the Govt being worried about the countries finances.

 

[lloyd]

uk entire wheat harvest is circa 13 million tonne. ……. the usda regular adjust their harvest estimates up or down by numbers more than that ! ……… and the USA isn’t even the biggest producer of wheat !

what the uk grows is almost irrelevant, prices are set by global markets, if import prices rise then our prices rise as well

food security / cheap food is a flawed argument, there are much better reasons to argue that the uk should continue to encourage food production

The USA is the number one maize (corn) and soybean producer so if they
had a major drought over the corn belts there would have a massive effect
on global supply.All this idea that we don't need to produce but can rely on imports
because they are presently plentiful is a misconstrued idea.
The out going general of our armed forces is warning about the UK's security ,is
this the time to outsource more to third parties?

 

[Clive]

We are chucking hundreds of millions of cash in to Ukraine which isnt going to stop any time soon, and probably other countries now in the middle east. Train drivers, doctors, teachers (you name it) are on strike for more money, if we arent in a recession now we soon might be so taxes may be down eventually, youve also got the cost of Covid, and they have just cancelled HS2 because they havent got the money which has been incredibly detrimental and damaging to the Conservative party, so that would have been a very difficult decision.
All this has happened after Brexit and the introduction of new environmental schemes. They are only uping the payments on SFI to entice farmers. If we had all signed up the values would be static or dropping as they would have achieved their goal and they would be able to boast this at the general election. This to me points in the direction of DEFRA and the Govt being worried about the countries finances.

we are in recession ( officially today !)

Covid is the reason not brexit. …….. germany’s economy is in a worse state and apparently still part of the EU

 

[Clive]

The USA is the number one maize (corn) and soybean producer so if they
had a major drought over the corn belts there would have a massive effect
on global supply.All this idea that we don't need to produce but can rely on imports
because they are presently plentiful is a misconstrued idea.
The out going general of our armed forces is warning about the UK's security ,is
this the time to outsource more to third parties?

indeed ……. so food security and price is more dependent on imports than it is our home production

you just proved exactly what i’m saying

we are not self sufficient (nr 50% already imported) and can’t possibly be, there are simply too many people living in the uk to ever achieve that

 

[lloyd]

indeed ……. so food security and price is more dependent on imports than it is our home production

you just proved exactly what i’m saying

Not sure what you mean if you run down domestic supplies you might not even get
imports at any price if weather events and man made global conflict happen together.
i'm sure the UK farmers could produce more than they presently do if they were less restricted.
Give us gm technology and back us rather than hinder us and that 50% would probably be more
like 80% self sufficient.

 

[Right-arm fast]

we are in recession ( officially today !)

Covid is the reason not brexit. …….. germany’s economy is in a worse state and apparently still part of the EU

Yes what i meant by that was that Brexit allowed the government to dream up the SFI etc. All the extra financial problems the country now has, happened after they dreamt SFI up and so wont have been factored in to the sums. It was a very different world 12 months after Brexit.

 

[Clive]

Yes what i meant by that was that Brexit allowed the government to dream up the SFI etc. All the extra financial problems the country now has, happened after they dreamt SFI up and so wont have been factored in to the sums. It was a very different world 12 months after Brexit.

i don’t think sfi will cost any more than was spent on bps ? it’s not new budget as far as i’m aware, it’s just being spent differently

 

[Right-arm fast]

i don’t think sfi will cost any more than was spent on bps ?

Maybe or maybe not but have they the money for either now? Thats my concern.

I forgot about the district councils that are going bust too, like Birmingham for example, wtf is going on??

 

[Clive]

Maybe or maybe not but have they the money for either now? Thats my concern.

I forgot about the district councils that are going bust too, like Birmingham for example, wtf is going on??

governments don’t run out of money, they just print more and give everyone a pay cut !

 

[Adeptandy]

 

[aangus]

im told the number of civil servants working on ag policy has gone up from 1500 to 7000, the money for this will no doubt be coming from the ag budget?

WTF

 

[Bossfarmer]

why will they increase the weekly bill ? processors will just import more - imports are cheap

well.....have you even looked at the UK prime lamb and prime beef price? what an outrageous statement

 

[Clive]

well.....have you even looked at the UK prime lamb and prime beef price? what an outrageous statement

both meats can (and are) imported as is a LOT of the stuff you feed them on

fact - we are MILES from self sufficient in food and that’s been the case for years now

 

[Bossfarmer]

they seemed ok with paying wealthy landowners for doing nothing ?


food prices will only go up if they go up globally, uk ex farm prices are almost irrelevant

and it worked, majority choose to grow food and not wild bird seed, the landowners getting the sfi are no less wealthy than those that got bps, difference is theyre now producing less for the taxpayer and actually costing them money


"food prices will only go up if they go up globally, uk ex farm prices are almost irrelevant" can you please explain why a domestic shortage of beef and lamb has caused a surge in prices if this statement is true?

 

[Clive]

im told the number of civil servants working on ag policy has gone up from 1500 to 7000, the money for this will no doubt be coming from the ag budget?

talking uninformed bull again !

there were 10250 in 2020 - probably more now

how on earth would Defra have ever run on 1500 employees !!

About us

We are responsible for improving and protecting the environment. We aim to grow a green economy and sustain thriving rural communities. We also support our world-leading food, farming and fishing industries.

www.gov.uk

 

[Bossfarmer]

both meats can (and are) imported as is a LOT of the stuff you feed them on

fact - we are MILES from self sufficient in food and that’s been the case for years now

fact- a reduction in the domestic supply of beef and lamb has caused a surge in prices, please confirm if this HAS or HAS NOT happened?

 

[Clive]

and it worked, majority choose to grow food and not wild bird seed, the landowners getting the sfi are no less wealthy than those that got bps, difference is theyre now producing less for the taxpayer and actually costing them money


"food prices will only go up if they go up globally, uk ex farm prices are almost irrelevant" can you please explain why a domestic shortage of beef and lamb has caused a surge in prices if this statement is true?

it worked for landowners yes

didn’t t work for farmers or tax payers however …….. in fact it was utterly imoral frankly

 

[Clive]

fact- a reduction in the domestic supply of beef and lamb has caused a surge in prices, please confirm if this HAS or HAS NOT happened?

food is still cheap and we have no food security issue - last time i went to a supermarket the shelves were full

all prices rise and fall. ………. based on GLOBAL supply and demand

 

[Bossfarmer]

talking uninformed bull again !

there were 10250 in 2020 - probably more now

how on earth would Defra have ever run on 1500 employees !!

About us

We are responsible for improving and protecting the environment. We aim to grow a green economy and sustain thriving rural communities. We also support our world-leading food, farming and fishing industries.

www.gov.uk

happy to admit if wrong, as long as you do the same that was figures quoted from someone on the forum yesterday, im in no doubt there has been a substantial increase there wold have to be

 

[Bossfarmer]

food is still cheap and we have no food security issue - last time i went to a supermarket the shelves were full

all prices rise and fall. ………. based on GLOBAL supply and demand

your dodging a clear question now....

IS beef and lamb cheap? your disputing that domestic shortage has caused a rise in the tax payers weekly shopping bill HAS it or HAS IT NOT???