Defra survey compulsory?

[s~~t shoveller]

Is it compulsory?just had an e mail ..

 

[Tarw Coch]

Is it compulsory?just had an e mail ..

IIRC they say it is, or words to that effect, but it won’t be difficult to find farmers who haven’t done it and who haven’t been fined, locked up or otherwise penalised for not doing it

 

[Adeptandy]

If you don't do it you'll get constant reminders, but they give up eventually.
I do occasionally fail to fill one in if overly busy at the time

 

[BredRedHfd]

Knew an inspector who years ago, would be sent around farms in summer, chasing the forms up.

 

[Spencer]

Is it compulsory to fill it in accurately

 

[Nearly]

'mark as spam'

 

[Barleymow]

Deleted mine

 

[Jackov Altraids]

My understanding is;

You are legally obliged to complete it but I'm not aware of any punishment if you don't.
It is meant to be purely for 'stocktaking' purposes but they also use it to assess who to inspect.
They give this commercially sensitive information to anyone that wants it.
It is of no benefit to farmers or farming.
They have said they don't care what we produce because they will simply import whatever they want.
No public money, no public good.

 

[BrianV]

45 years of farming on my own & I haven't filled one in yet.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

I’ve just done it while having a cup of tea. They’ve added a new bit on land tenure which they say is to try and understand the effect of SFI on the tenanted sector. Maybe worth doing for that if you’ve been affected.

 

[yellow belly]

defra need to know what is on farms to decide policy

if farmers do not do the survey how can policy change to reflect farming reality

the original survey was compulsory set out in the 1947 ag act when farming got grants and subsidy

using bps data has a flaw in that a wheat field with buffer strips is classed as all wheat ect

all other industries are surveyed by the industry department which have to be returned
the vat system is also used to survey industry

but these systems do not measure the area of crops just the value

 

[tullah]

Haven‘t filled in the annual census for thirty years.

 

[Levelsman]

defra need to know what is on farms to decide policy

That will be a first!

 

[Tarw Coch]

defra need to know what is on farms to decide policy

if farmers do not do the survey how can policy change to reflect farming reality

the original survey was compulsory set out in the 1947 ag act when farming got grants and subsidy

using bps data has a flaw in that a wheat field with buffer strips is classed as all wheat ect

all other industries are surveyed by the industry department which have to be returned
the vat system is also used to survey industry

but these systems do not measure the area of crops just the value

Trouble Is, they don’t take fek all notice of what you write.
Filled up up one year the easy way, I know how many acres of each crop I’ve got in my head so filled it out in acres and wrote in the notes, all areas in acres, after all, unlike me they are getting paid to sift through this information so fek em, they can spend their time doing the maths.
A few months later I was invited to do another survey about harvest yields based on the fact I grew “X” hectares of wheat, the thick fekkers obviously hadn’t read the notes which makes you wonder why they have a section at the end for notes……………not that I really give a fek, but the old saying of garbage in, garbage out springs to mind,

 

[robs1]

I haven't had one for quite a few years and certainly didn't fill out the last couple despite reminders etc, as I've binned RT I'm missing doing some mind numbing sh!t so might do this one, eventually

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

I haven't had one for quite a few years and certainly didn't fill out the last couple despite reminders etc, as I've binned RT I'm missing doing some mind numbing sh!t so might do this one, eventually

It doesn’t take long to do, I mainly do it because I want to keep my head under the radar

 

[robs1]

It doesn’t take long to do, I mainly do it because I want to keep my head under the radar

My thinking too

 

[slackjawedyokel]

I’ve never filled it in and I don’t get invited to participate or reminders.

Dad vowed he’d never fill it in again maybe 30 years ago. He’d been filling it in in good faith for years when they came back to him about what he’d filled in. The area he’d filled in differed slightly (a fraction of one acre in a few hundred- probably due to rounding errors) and they demanded chapter and verse about why there was a shortfall- what had happened to that 0.3 ac?? Had we sold it, rented it out , what??.
They were most insistent and would not go away with the obvious simple answer. It took Dad hours of work to go back through a couple of years worth of field areas before he could convince them where the discrepancy had come from.

He’d never do it again; I’m not keen to start!

 

[JockCroft]

I’ve never filled it in and I don’t get invited to participate or reminders.

Dad vowed he’d never fill it in again maybe 30 years ago. He’d been filling it in in good faith for years when they came back to him about what he’d filled in. The area he’d filled in differed slightly (a fraction of one acre in a few hundred- probably due to rounding errors) and they demanded chapter and verse about why there was a shortfall- what had happened to that 0.3 ac?? Had we sold it, rented it out , what??.
They were most insistent and would not go away with the obvious simple answer. It took Dad hours of work to go back through a couple of years worth of field areas before he could convince them where the discrepancy had come from.

He’d never do it again; I’m not keen to start!

Do get regular inspections?

I've been told fail to complete triggers inspection. That was relevant to Scottish Policy a few years back.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Do get regular inspections?

I've been told fail to complete triggers inspection. That was relevant to Scottish Policy a few years back.

No.