Diesel waxing

[ricky_rascal]

Evening all. Had a prob today with diesel waxing in both my tractors, a 2yo John Deere and an older Ford 4600. Usually would have bought more diesel late October but with wet backend not used as much so still on fuel delivered end of Aug. I've had a search on here and Kamco Waxbreaker Gold has been mentioned. Is this stuff OK. Realize it can only be added before the diesel has waxed. Any other products worth considering?

JD parked in shed next to cattle but today had a flat tyre down the road bottom of hill where it's cold and out the sun for a few hours. Got tyre sorted and then fuel starvation going back home. Ford is easy to sort, just leave fan heater blowing under diesel tank for a while and she's soon away!

Thanks...

 

[Lincs Lass]

Many moons ago I remember my boss putting paraffin in the tractor tanks,,something like a pint to a tank full

 

[milkloss]

Maybe some kero thrown in? Not sure how much though.

 

[Kevtherev]

Wynns Ice proof for diesel or put a drum next to the Rayburn and put warm diesel in tank in the morning was an old trick here

 

[john432]

Or some petrol, but it had to go in and be mixed before the frost. Remember the handbook for the Golf mk1 diesel saying to add about a quarter petrol. Wouldn't risk it with common rail injectors.

 

[Cowabunga]

I really wouldn't risk kerosene in a common-rail injection system. Get the wax inhibitor.
I know that Summer DERV has a cold filter plugging point of -3C and Winter is -15. Not sure whether Gas Oil is to the same standard these days and can't be bothered to do a search on it considering that it is of no help whatsoever for the problem as presented.

 

[Cowabunga]

Or some petrol, but it had to go in and be mixed before the frost. Remember the handbook for the Golf mk1 diesel saying to add about a quarter petrol. Wouldn't risk it with common rail injectors.

I personally wouldn't use petrol under any except the most urgent of circumstances and certainly not in CR systems under any.

 

[bobk]

I personally wouldn't use petrol under any except the most urgent of circumstances and certainly not in CR systems under any.

Me neither ... we're in agreement duck .

 

[7610 super q]

I thought we decided on another thread to use 10 % kero.........

 

[Cowabunga]

I thought we decided on another thread to use 10 % kero.........

I didn't agree to that. Not without extra lubricant and I'm not sure that would be compatible with the Deere's DPF and SCR if fitted.

 

[7610 super q]

Excuse my ignorance....but why don't fuel companies deliver winter grade AYR ?

 

[bobk]

Excuse my ignorance....but why don't fuel companies deliver winter grade AYR ?

Good question

 

[ricky_rascal]

I was looking more for a 'safe' commercial additive to add when it warms up next week. Ordinarily I'd have winter grade diesel but have got caught out. Temp down to -1c and diesel is very cloudy.

I don't have a rayburn and doubt putting a drum or two of diesel next to fire in living room would set mrs Rascal off on one

John Deere is a modern engine. Got to take a little care what it is fed. The Ford won't be as fussy.

There is Wurth Winter Diesel Anti Waxing on Ebay? Any good or should I say safe? I've a mistrust of things on E-bay.

 

[Cowabunga]

Excuse my ignorance....but why don't fuel companies deliver winter grade AYR ?

Because it has an extra cost. Summer fuel is delivered until November and has a cold filter plugging point of -3C. I remember a time when the standard was 0C or even +1C which was unacceptable.
In colder climates than ours, fuel heaters are commonly fitted before the filters to prevent plugging. Even cars are fitted with it. It doesn't cost much and I would welcome it fitted to UK new tractors, but unfortunately every penny counts when it comes to selling plant to farmers.

 

[ricky_rascal]

One fuel rep told me when I asked last year that diesel is the same all year round and no longer any 'winter grade' diesel. That turned out to be a load of old rubbish..

 

[Cowabunga]

I was looking more for a 'safe' commercial additive to add when it warms up next week. Ordinarily I'd have winter grade diesel but have got caught out. Temp down to -1c and diesel is very cloudy.

I don't have a rayburn and doubt putting a drum or two of diesel next to fire in living room would set mrs Rascal off on one

John Deere is a modern engine. Got to take a little care what it is fed. The Ford won't be as fussy.

There is Wurth Winter Diesel Anti Waxing on Ebay? Any good or should I say safe? I've a mistrust of things on E-bay.

Watch the price of these things. Every man and his dog sells anti-waxing additive at this time of year. I'd phone your fuel supplier and get their rep to drop some off for you. Your tractor dealer probably stocks stuff too, maybe VAP or Sparex etc.

They all work and are safe. Much safer than adding kerosene, which will ruin your Deere's fuel system and petrol which will kill every and any direct injection engine. Petrol used to be recommended by VW in the 1980's when their engines were indirect injection. I doubt whether they have ever suggested using it since the introduction of their first direct injection engines in 1991, 25 years ago.

 

[ricky_rascal]

In colder climates than ours, fuel heaters are commonly fitted before the filters to prevent plugging. Even cars are fitted with it. It doesn't cost much and I would welcome it fitted to UK new tractors, but unfortunately every penny counts when it comes to selling plant to farmers.

So a fan heater on long extension can't be called a fuel heater

Borrowed neighbours tractor to bed some cattle up in a rented shed. He wondered if we could fit an immersion heater element through the filler cap to warm the diesel up in the tank. Where there is a problem there is a farmer with an idea

 

[Cowabunga]

One fuel rep told me when I asked last year that diesel is the same all year round and no longer any 'winter grade' diesel. That turned out to be a load of old rubbish..

Probably had no clue and was disinterested in his job.

 

[ricky_rascal]

Probably had no clue and was disinterested in his job.

Didn't get a sale either...

 

[john432]

https://sklep.gravit.pl/produkt/20773/grzalka-paliwowa-john-deere-re51648

There must be something similar available with JD for the newer models, but this fits On top of the filter housing with the heating element inside the middle of the filter, must get one for my 6400, must be worth some £60 ,to save a lot of hassle if it went really cold.