Digital Combinable Crop passports

[DrWazzock]

What are all these declarations they want? f**ks sake it's getting silly.

Resist

They do need certain declarations to fulfil their duty of care as processors to source supplies responsibly. This is a requirement of many end markets. I get that. But I don’t think we need RT to get involved in this assurance process. After all we only self certify to RT. So why not just self certify direct to the customer intake with an embellished passport? It’s just a few more tick boxes and a signature. It’s not difficult and in fact it’s better as it pertains to each and every load.

 

[DrWazzock]

Its very easy, just keep using paper, if anyone questions it then you had no signal, battery flat etc, once 1 starts its the thin end.

It’s fine on paper in my view. Going full digital is way over the top when the stuff is going to be mixed. Yep. Papers fine.

 

[DrWazzock]

Be interesting to know what J Bloggs animal feed mill has to say about having to kit up for digital passports rather than just bung a piece of paper in a file. Can’t imagine it’s cost or hassle free at the receiving end either. Why have AHDB etc this obsession with adding cost and complexity to what could be very simple interfaces?

 

[graham mc]

whats the ratio of uk produced to imported grains and oilseeds does anyone have a figure?

 

[Right-arm fast]

It’s fine on paper in my view. Going full digital is way over the top when the stuff is going to be mixed. Yep. Papers fine.

I agree. At least it negates any problem with the phone like no signal or if you dropped it in a puddle just before the lorry arrived.

 

[Flat 10]

They do need certain declarations to fulfil their duty of care as processors to source supplies responsibly. This is a requirement of many end markets. I get that. But I don’t think we need RT to get involved in this assurance process. After all we only self certify to RT. So why not just self certify direct to the customer intake with an embellished passport? It’s just a few more tick boxes and a signature. It’s not difficult and in fact it’s better as it pertains to each and every load.

They don’t. If it comes on a boat they couldn’t give a flying fig about it as long as it’s A cheap and B meets moisture, spec weight etc etc

 

[Flat 10]

Somebody with real farming experience should have nipped this idea in the bud. But somehow there never seems to be any input from practical farmers or maybe they are just ignored. Even our RT assessor thought it was a stupid and unnecessary requirement that will cause all sorts of problems. Anybody with that kind of common sense gets shot down at the meetings though, apparently as he has been on several issues. Those at the very top just don’t seem to understand the mechanics of the job.

That’s because Nfu etc is run by people like blenky (who as I have repeatedly said is probably a nice enough chap) but has zero idea of the reality of struggling with BS paperwork as a one man band.

 

[SilliamWhale]

They do need certain declarations to fulfil their duty of care as processors to source supplies responsibly. This is a requirement of many end markets. I get that. But I don’t think we need RT to get involved in this assurance process. After all we only self certify to RT. So why not just self certify direct to the customer intake with an embellished passport? It’s just a few more tick boxes and a signature. It’s not difficult and in fact it’s better as it pertains to each and every load.

Agreed. We need a certain declarations. Tell me what they are? And what difference is it to the requirements when I sign my sales contract

 

[DrWazzock]

Agreed. We need a certain declarations. Tell me what they are? And what difference is it to the requirements when I sign my sales contract

Very good point. The sales contract covers declarations. That only leaves third party inspection which is carried out independently by our local authority and various government agencies for free. So we don’t RT and we don’t need a passport. End of.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Very good point. The sales contract covers declarations. That only leaves third party inspection which is carried out independently by our local authority and various government agencies for free. So we don’t RT and we don’t need a passport. End of.

As I said before do dairymen sign a passport for every load of milk?

 

[Flat 10]

As I said before do dairymen sign a passport for every load of milk?

Nor do we for each load of beet thank god

 

[MrNoo]

Well, I have just sent 5 loads of unassured wheat without any form of passport, no issue.

 

[Hampton]

all that data and more is already being given away (well we actually pay to give it them ! ). to Red Tractor whose data policy allows them to sell it …….. as i expect they already are doing

maybe at least if AHDB control this they would not be able to sell our data to buyers and suppliers

I can absolutely guarantee you that Ahdb sell our data

 

[Flat 10]

I can absolutely guarantee you that Ahdb sell our data

What data? They allegedly don't know who we are?

 

[tullah]

Do those lorries loading the boat with grain from Timbucktu sending it to UK ports have all this passport nonsense to contend with?
Assuming they don't then why on earth are we even considering it when we receive no benefit whatsoever from the extra expense and hassle.
Don't forget we have the whip hand over all of this. It's time to just say NO.

 

[tullah]

I was very sceptical about this, but I would back Clives' model where a digital passport replaces RT but the whole thing is 100% farmer controlled.

That means NOT non farming union controlled.

 

[tullah]

Need half a day to read it all. One observation would be that, currently, unless you wait for lorry to be on site, it's pretty much impossible to fill even a paper passport in.
1 You get a spread of dates when merchant may or may not pick up the commodity.
2 It may not be the haulier stated on collection advice - often subbed out.
3 Haulier may actually come early - often want to load day before or even Friday for Monday delivery. Is that legal?

We tend to print some off, fill in what we can and complete when lorry arrives. Prepopulating before printing can't be fully completed unless lorry on site.
So with digital, would this mean only filling in when loading commences? I can see why it's being proposed but in reality it'll be just another burden.
BUT I do have some sympathy with Clive's suggestion. May take even longer to get airborne!!

That would hold the lorry up for a good hour while we type away with our farmers thumbs!

 

[Levy Believer]

This seems to have slipped under the radar but if you have anything to say about digital passports then AHDB have consultation open now

https://www.farminguk.com/news/cons...al-grain-passport-to-soon-commence_63682.html

Just FYI, It's not an AHDB Consultation.

The results of the consultation (run by the wider industry) will be fed into the business case and if it has received widespread support they are likely to be asking AHDB to consider funding some or all of the project.

We will have to decide separately on that, based on the risks and rewards to levypayer value.

As you would be right to expect

 

[MrNoo]

We will have to decide separately on that, based on the risks and rewards to levypayer value.

As you would be right to expect

What like you did with the £250k/yr bung to Red Tractor?

 

[ajd132]

Just FYI, It's not an AHDB Consultation.

The results of the consultation (run by the wider industry) will be fed into the business case and if it has received widespread support they are likely to be asking AHDB to consider funding some or all of the project.

We will have to decide separately on that, based on the risks and rewards to levypayer value.

As you would be right to expect

If it doesn’t add any value to farmers, we should not be paying for it.