Do I need a Tacho or not?
- Thread starter GAM
- Start date
No, I only deliver up to 56 bales of hay, on a Ifor Williams 12' twin axle gross 3.5 ton
Tom W
Member
- Location
- Peterborough
Do they sell and fit tachos by chance ? Tacho not needed unless you exceed 3.5t train weight and goods carried are for hire and reward. If you carry your own tools and equipment for your business use, no tacho needed.
- Location
- Hockley Essex
As I understand it, if you are delivering your own produce, then no not needed.
doesnt having a trailer on that carries 3.5 ton and weight of vehicle class as above gtw 3.5 ton
Tom W
Member
- Location
- Peterborough
Yes it does, but providing goods carried are not for hire or reward e.g tools of trade, no tacho needed.
Goweresque
Member
- Location
- North Wilts
No you don't need a tacho, because you are covered by one of the exemption from driver time requirements, namely the one for farming/forestry/horticulture delivering their own produce within 100km of base:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/drivers...s-on-drivers-hours#exemptions-and-derogations
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/drivers...s-on-drivers-hours#exemptions-and-derogations
thank you ,
but the op is selling hay /straw
Tom W
Member
- Location
- Peterborough
Sorry, missed that post ! As Goweresque has stated, still exempt.
ollie989898
Member
I cannot see that all the sign written vans you see around are fitted with tachos, and the majority of them are delivering something or moving tools and people about? This has to be a misnomer?
Goweresque
Member
- Location
- North Wilts
There is also an exemption for anyone in business if they are transporting the tools of their trade to a work site, or materials to a specific job as part of their trade. What you are not supposed to do under the exemption is just deliver goods - for example my friend is a landscape gardener, without a tacho he is perfectly entitled to collect a pallet of block paving and deliver to site if he is installing it, he can't deliver it for the customer to install it themselves, that would be hire and reward. Under this exemption you are also not supposed to have a permanent driver whose job it is to drive stuff about for other staff to use - the driving has to be ancillary to his work as something else.
ollie989898
Member
This is interesting.
So all these delivery drivers for DPD, Amazon and whoever, are supposed to have tachographs in their vans regardless of their total weight or rather, payload?
pettsy
Member
- Location
- Derbyshire
No, not if they're just in a van upto 3.5t gvw not towing a trailer. As soon as you start towing a trailer outside of private use you need a tacho (unless exempt for reasons given above)
if you were in a truck with stock trailer and hauled someone elses stock as well as your own but you were having their animals back and charging them for haulage/kill/hang/cut - do you need a tacho for that?
- Location
- East Sussex
Yes.
llamedos
New Member
I think the rules contained the line 'if it is not your main activity' re the farming exemptions.
So, if you ONLY deliver hay then yes if over the limit you need a tacho.
If you normally just farm, and then occasionally deliver hay to be sold, that is not classed as your 'main activity'
So, if you ONLY deliver hay then yes if over the limit you need a tacho.
If you normally just farm, and then occasionally deliver hay to be sold, that is not classed as your 'main activity'
oh beggar. Going to have to look into this a bit more closely then. Always something to scupper the plans. Might just have to be a jfdi once then. But then if I purchased the stock from them off farm for myself and then sold them back to the farmer/holder when butchered then that's ok right?