- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Do we need to alter the landscape of wales?
- Thread starter Kevtherev
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- Location
- Welshpool Powys
The science is there to prove grasslands sequester more carbon than woodlands.
Figures are something like 40 tons per acre.
Plant trees removes the livestock which in turn removes the people and so forth.
Figures are something like 40 tons per acre.
Plant trees removes the livestock which in turn removes the people and so forth.
Wales is absolutely beautiful but let down by its police forces utter war on motorists and SOME locals seemingly resentful of any tourism / visitors - why is that ?
it’s certainly doesn’t need to change its stunning landscape - it’s one of the prettiest parts of the UK ( second only to west coast Scotland imo )
it’s certainly doesn’t need to change its stunning landscape - it’s one of the prettiest parts of the UK ( second only to west coast Scotland imo )
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Hardly ever see starsky and hutch round here and tourism here is most welcome.
- Location
- South Wales UK
Dripford wants to walk from south to north Wales and see it covered in trees?
His retirement present is a ship made out of old 20 mph signs when he sails off in it like he Sold Wales down the river.
His retirement present is a ship made out of old 20 mph signs when he sails off in it like he Sold Wales down the river.
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Which way is he headed as there’s still highwaymen round these parts…
theres bunch of hypocrites in charge of gov/ planning
small holding yard and buildings near here that sustained a family with breeding pigs and sheep a few cattle (one of the best stockman ive ever known and now emigrated ) has been completely demolished and replaced with a small housing estate of posh houses not sutable for normal loacl working people complete with tarmac drive concrete parking and lights along the drive way on all night
. its no where near a village or town complete ly out in the open countryside and not original barns converted apart from one ...
How do the planners powers that be sleep at night ?
what's wrong with people ?
well its all about money and the greedys back hander boys are in charge it seems . proper rural community like when we were young is getting even more a thing of the past .
breaks my heart tbh.
small holding yard and buildings near here that sustained a family with breeding pigs and sheep a few cattle (one of the best stockman ive ever known and now emigrated ) has been completely demolished and replaced with a small housing estate of posh houses not sutable for normal loacl working people complete with tarmac drive concrete parking and lights along the drive way on all night
. its no where near a village or town complete ly out in the open countryside and not original barns converted apart from one ...How do the planners powers that be sleep at night ?
what's wrong with people ?
well its all about money and the greedys back hander boys are in charge it seems . proper rural community like when we were young is getting even more a thing of the past .
breaks my heart tbh.
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- Location
- mid wales
I'm deadset against anyone forced to plant trees for the sake of it - obv if you want to plant for your own reasons...go ahead.
BUT I don't like this assumption that grassland sequesters more carbon.
Explain to me in idiot terms where the 40 tonnes of carbon is after each year, in grassland?
I'm a very simple chap.
I can see where the 6 tonnes/per annum (or so) of sitka is each year. (and I can look up the figures to work out the actual carbon in it)
Please, illuminate me.
Because if we can't explain it, we shouldn't be clinging to it.
- Location
- South Wales UK
Those Welsh Assembly MS members must turn up at the Senedd on a monday morning and all say : WHAT ARE WE GOING TO FK UP IN WALES THIS WEEK!
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Only if you are one of ze national socialists
Funny how there's all this talk of "countries" cutting their emissions yet in the next breath it's all about the globe as a whole
Now as a farmer I recognise that each acre here has something different to offer to the whole under management, in fact an acre is a bloody big pixel if you're a skink, so every square inch is probably more accurate
Yes some facets could easily be tweaked but not for the wrong reasons: it has to work
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Grasslands 'can'
Don't fall into the trap of assuming grasslands do, most management allows for stasis at best, with continual interruption of community dynamics and ecosystem processes
ollie989898
Member
Trees can accumulate all the carbon you like- it will all be released again one day when they are cut down/fall down and rot or are burnt. So it is myth that growing shed loads of trees will automatically make climate change great again.
The real carbon sequestration occurs under the ground as root mass and soil organic matter. But not all grassland systems maximise this- as Kiwi Pete says, the management of them is absolutely critical.
By way of illustration, consider the Amazon rainforest. Plenty of vegetation growing on it but the soils there are actually very very thin and nutrient poor.
ollie989898
Member
This article from the USDA it compares the depth of soil in US native forests and that of native prairie. Look at the comparison between the biomass that is being stored away underground.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
The wording is that ‘well managed’ grassland will sequester more than trees. I would venture that ‘well managed’, in this context, is rotationally grazed to maximise growth/output.
Lots of grass growth is being measured these days, using plate meters etc, and showing annual DM production of 10-12t/ha. Obviously the aim is to utilise that, either by harvesting or grazing, so it doesn’t sit there to look at like that Sitka spruce, it produces food as red meat or milk.
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
As Pete and Ollie correctly state grassland ‘can’ I should have worded it better.
The science was presented to the welsh assembly government but it seems they have largely ignored the data.
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ollie989898
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There is a youtube channel by a very enthusiastic guy who rears outdoor 'pasture' pigs and cattle by rearing them largely on cover crops, I'll try to find it.
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- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Permanent pasture that may be centuries old undisturbed would be one example of grasslands taking in large volumes of CO2.
ollie989898
Member
I would argue that we, in the UK at least, might even be able to continue to get that all important 10-12t/ha of dry matter of forage yield somehow whilst maximising the amount of carbon our grasslands can put away underground.
The majority of UK livestock farmers use perennial grassland species and do not plough or cultivate large area of their farms for years at a time. It is wrong to claim they should just put all of their land under trees and that doing so will be environmentally great. Planted in the wrong places or the wrong species, trees can do a great deal of harm to an area.