Docks Again

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
You've lost me , we only put .75 l / ha of 200g fluroxpyr on cereals ,

2 l / ha is high rate imo , £10.50 ha
Galgone 2 L
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milkloss

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
They are comparing apples to oranges on some of the actives in the chemical. Some are the acid equivalent (whatever that means) and some are the methyl Ester equivalent. They are different strengths which when compared shows that hiload is cheapest if you ignore the label and put it on stronger than they say you're allowed to, galgone is more expensive than a generic
 

bobk

Member
Location
stafford
They are comparing apples to oranges on some of the actives in the chemical. Some are the acid equivalent (whatever that means) and some are the methyl Ester equivalent. They are different strengths which when compared shows that hiload is cheapest if you ignore the label and put it on stronger than they say you're allowed to, galgone is more expensive than a generic

Put it on and see what happens , I have no experience of hi load . killing docks is a piece of cake .
 
Spraying cereals is a bit different compared to grass- in grass the weeds are usually from rootstock, not from seed and even if they were you have SU chemistry and all sorts to clean them up. In grassland you are talking about a weed that is perennial, with sizeable root mass and its often growing very hard or covered by grass itself. Different ball game to spraying a typical crop where weeds have been weakened by ploughing or round up or pre-em chemistry anyway.

I do not know if hi-load will be more effective on docks compared to other products giving the full 400g/ha but I do know the formulation in hi-load is pretty horny- in mixture with other things it does seem to hot mixtures up a treat.

For whatever reason Dow put more than just fluroxypyr in doxstar. I know triclopyr is an active that tends to translocate very readily and attacks anything with a good root on it hence my suggestion of adding it to regular hurler or whatever.

Most of the products mentioned on this thread will do a better job on docks than regular MCPA or Polo at any rate.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
Spraying cereals is a bit different compared to grass- in grass the weeds are usually from rootstock, not from seed and even if they were you have SU chemistry and all sorts to clean them up. In grassland you are talking about a weed that is perennial, with sizeable root mass and its often growing very hard or covered by grass itself. Different ball game to spraying a typical crop where weeds have been weakened by ploughing or round up or pre-em chemistry anyway.

I do not know if hi-load will be more effective on docks compared to other products giving the full 400g/ha but I do know the formulation in hi-load is pretty horny- in mixture with other things it does seem to hot mixtures up a treat.

For whatever reason Dow put more than just fluroxypyr in doxstar. I know triclopyr is an active that tends to translocate very readily and attacks anything with a good root on it hence my suggestion of adding it to regular hurler or whatever.

Most of the products mentioned on this thread will do a better job on docks than regular MCPA or Polo at any rate.
Dockstar and Hi Load worked about the same last year except Hi Load is a fraction of the cost . Be interesting to see how it works 2cd year
I would not mind paying for Dockstar if it took them out 1st year but its no where near doing that

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clemmo

Member
Dockstar and Hi Load worked about the same last year except Hi Load is a fraction of the cost . Be interesting to see how it works 2cd year
I would not mind paying for Dockstar if it took them out 1st year but its no where near doing that

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what rate of hi load did you use last year ?
 

milkloss

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Whats 6 star and its says on the Label . Grass seeds crops new ley

sorry, auto correct...... doxstar

says new ley on the label so it isn't strong enough for established docks...... shows in your table above that 1l generic 200g/ fluroxypyr equals 0.6l starane hi-load. Not strong enough. You need 1.2l of h-load to match generic stuff at 2l/ha which isn't on the label.
 

Loftyrules

Member
Location
Monmouth
Have a price for Prevail and Pivotail which is approx
sorry, auto correct...... doxstar

says new ley on the label so it isn't strong enough for established docks...... shows in your table above that 1l generic 200g/ fluroxypyr equals 0.6l starane hi-load. Not strong enough. You need 1.2l of h-load to match generic stuff at 2l/ha which isn't on the label.

I have used Pivotail this year as a replacement to Doxstar (may be the same product but supplied by Agrii)
 

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