ollie989898
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Iran's goal is to get US troops out of the region entirely I think.
Donald plays a blinder
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Danllan
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That's one possibility, but their fundamental aim is to be the regional power (broker). If there is a reduced US presence and they can achieve that aim, it would not be a bad thing from their perspective.
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What was the time?, a ballistic missile doesn't know what's in its arc of flight.
caveman
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That’s what the Americans are now saying. It may be right, when I think about it more, but who knows and who will ever know what the truth is?
Daniel
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Flight radar lost the tracking data for the plane from 3 tracking stations at the same instant in the air. If the plane was going down due to pilot error or engine failure etc it would continue sending out the tracking data as it fell from the sky.
The fact it stopped sending the data means a catastrophic failure must have occured, such as a missile blowing the aircraft apart in midair.
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Seems that way - I guess the big question is who was the team that fired the missile. As I see it, both sides had an incentive and both sides have reason not to admit they’ve done it.
Danllan
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Anyone thinking this is US action is an idiot. It was clearly an Iranian air defence missile that was, almost certainly, fired at what was assumed to be a hostile aircraft. I loathe the Iranian regime but I don't for a moment think that it deliberately ordered a civilian airliner to be shot down in the airspace of its own capital.
Daniel
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If it were the US the Iranians would have been parading the black box data for all to see.
It was Iran, probably by mistake, and it makes them look grossly incompetent.
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A bit harsh - I don’t trust either side and believe them both capable, but wouldn’t necessarily “think it was a US action”. I can understand others might, based on recent form shown.
Hindsight
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I will be so brave to say just an accident? A jittery local air defence commanding officer?. I am not a military person, so have no idea about a chain of command in making such launch decisions.
But if I recall incident with the USS Vincennes it was the ship commander that ultimately took the decision to shoot down Iran Air flight 655. And then the US authorities spent a few weeks in denial and laying a false trail before the truth came out.
But that is by the by. All very sad.
Danllan
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Assuming it wasn't an equipment error or that a subordinate went rogue, the battery commander would have had the decision - probably a Captain. The Vincennes was commanded by a f^ckwit with a reputation for being gung-ho.
ollie989898
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Video footage shows the thing was a fireball before hitting the ground. Crew didnt even have time to radio back to the airport. Explosive on board or shoot down is a logical explaination. Iranian air defence would have been in high alert anyway and one crew made a mistake in the heat of the moment? Like that airliner that was downed in Ukraine. They will find wreckage with the signature of known air defence weapons which should confirm it.
ollie989898
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To be fair it could have been carried out by a group who are in opposition to the Iranian regime. These weapons have been known to fall into the wrong hands at times and an airliner at 8000 feet is well within the capabilities of even shoulder fired weapons.
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A wouldn't fancy being in his shoes atm. Having said that, didn't the Captain of the Vincennes get a medal for his incompetence?
Danllan
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The politics of the situation don't bode well for any hopes that battery commander may have for a gong.
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Early reports suggest they have bulldozed the crash site before investigators get in. ??
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Iran plane crash: Ukrainian jet was 'unintentionally' shot down
The country previously denied responsibility for Wednesday's crash, which killed 176 people.
www.bbc.co.uk
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NATOME FFS, he's as mad as "box of frogs" but makes 
for funny viewing.
https://www.euronews.com/2020/01/10...to-expanded-to-middle-east-and-renamed-natome
for funny viewing.https://www.euronews.com/2020/01/10...to-expanded-to-middle-east-and-renamed-natome
caveman
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What an excellent idea.NATOME FFS, he's as mad as "box of frogs" but makes
https://www.euronews.com/2020/01/10...to-expanded-to-middle-east-and-renamed-natome
You do realise that he "took the general out" at the request of the Iranian bosses?
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