Drug and Alcohol testing

[Doing it for the kids]

I meant more that you can have a good night with booze on a Friday or sat and by Monday you will probably be clear.

I don’t think the same is true with drugs?

 

[ste]

We have it written in to our contracts. The railway has a very strict policy on it, to the point that you can pass a roadside Breathalyzer and still fail the rail one. Any medication we take has to be notified to our employer.

We have a pre employment one, for cause one's when an incident happens (you don't have to be the one involved in the incident either just be on that site at that time), random ones by our company every 6 months or so (although you do get 24hrs notice for them), random ones on site either through intelligence or just because they feel like it, and some site require them now when you go for the site induction.

Up to now this year I've had 3, 2 for site inductions and 1 for cause one when one of the lads in the gang I was supervising went through a set of points with his machine and damaged them. Passed all 3 no problem

A failure can lead to your PTS card being withdrawn for 5 years, and that can include failing to supply a sample. One lads came back inconclusive so they asked him to retest, he refused so is banned for 5 years.

But you're informed of all the above policy before you join a railway firm, and its in your contract so no excuses really

 

[Hilly]

Politicians should be drug tested randomly and regularly any fail instant dismissal.

 

[cudota]

Politicians should be drug tested randomly and regularly any fail instant dismissal.

The EU head Juncker ........Definite fail

 

[traadilooar]

Why is it continental farmers/any workers can have a long lazy lunch with couple of glasses of red and it's no problem.
Yet if a British worker had a pint with his lunch he would be a dirty scummer and immediately sacked as he's a liability?

 

[holywell farmer]

Firstly I am not offering free samples for you to test ........

has any one on here got any experience of implementing a testing program for employees ?

random or blanket ?
frequency ?
Selection by risk /department ? (i.e a forklift driver poses a greater risk than say the bloke who sweeps the floor)

any help appreciated

Hesston

Building sites have drink and drug testing policies, I myself had 4 tests in my time in building,
Some on site see it as infringement of rights but drugs are illegal and turning up to work under influence of drink is not right,

 

[holywell farmer]

Talking to a lad in the pub who owns a building company. They are currently working on a pub extension and he said they usually have a pint or 2 at lunchtime.

Is proper site hard hats walk ways ?

 

[holywell farmer]

If you implement the testing then ALL employees AND bosses names go down for random testing

There contractor in north wales some his lads use drugs then drive his tractors bloody disgusting, if I had tractors or plant no drug use whatsoever would be tolerated

 

[puppet]

If you know someone is taking drugs then driving then just make the right phone call. Same with drink. If you turn up smelling of drink then the machine stays locked.
Plenty construction firms do random testing for drink and drugs.
If you cannot do without a drink for 10 hours a day then you have a big problem. There is always the big party or mistake when you might have to phone in sick and no pay but if you drive then no excuses. The employer will definitely carry some responsibility, certainly in liability to public and other employees.

 

[Doing it for the kids]

So what about drug use that stays in your system for weeks after?

 

[Ukjay]

I meant more that you can have a good night with booze on a Friday or sat and by Monday you will probably be clear.

I don’t think the same is true with drugs?

You are correct - drugs stay longer in the system, but I think the OP may have a concern with worker coming in smelling of alcohol appearing to be under the influence - which would indicate a more recent session?

 

[Doing it for the kids]

Agreed. I was sidetracking slightly, curious as to how folk can use drugs and keep a job unless they book holiday in 2 week slots and make the most of the first Few days off!

 

[cudota]

Firms use Scottish drink drive levels in England ...So you can be sacked for drinking and still drive home legally

 

[holywell farmer]

If you know someone is taking drugs then driving then just make the right phone call. Same with drink. If you turn up smelling of drink then the machine stays locked.
Plenty construction firms do random testing for drink and drugs.
If you cannot do without a drink for 10 hours a day then you have a big problem. There is always the big party or mistake when you might have to phone in sick and no pay but if you drive then no excuses. The employer will definitely carry some responsibility, certainly in liability to public and other employees.

Surprises me some in farming seem to turn blind eye to those driving tractors on drugs

 

[holywell farmer]

Firstly I am not offering free samples for you to test ........

has any one on here got any experience of implementing a testing program for employees ?

random or blanket ?
frequency ?
Selection by risk /department ? (i.e a forklift driver poses a greater risk than say the bloke who sweeps the floor)

any help appreciated

Hesston

If do test use a company that test and are accredited for drugs and alcohol

 

[holywell farmer]

You are correct - drugs stay longer in the system, but I think the OP may have a concern with worker coming in smelling of alcohol appesring to be under the influence - which would indicate a more recent session?

Some drugs can have different affects on people

 

[Ukjay]

Agreed. I was sidetracking slightly, curious as to how folk can use drugs and keep a job unless they book holiday in 2 week slots and make the most of the first Few days off!

Unfortunately - it is a bloody difficult thing to enforce into a company contract, as it is against their human rights - but then, if an employee gets hurt at work and it turns out they were under drug influence through rca - claim ensues as the company has then failed to prevent injury to an employee

Can't bloody win in this country!!

 

[Ukjay]

Some drugs can have different affects on people

I know - and some are also faked to get out of many things

 

[A1an]

Politicians should be drug tested randomly and regularly any fail instant dismissal.

You reckon?

I think they should all have a reefer before going to work. It might chill them out a bit instead of always trying to get one up on the opposition.

 

[holywell farmer]

I was on the Flintshire bridge sub station project a few years ago, to get on you. Had to pass a medical and a drug test,