Dutch farmer protest in the Hague today, Army setting up road blocks...

[Ffermer Bach]

Not sure inspiring in the right word. I have little time and patience for the extinction rebellion protestor so as much as it may pain me I should have equally little time and patience for such farmer led actions. Both groups think they are absolutely right and government is absolutely wrong, the truth is a bit more nuanced.

If the audio is genuine, those cops certainly should not have discharged their firearms in that situation and should be in a world of trouble.

my feeling is, that there seems to be something seriously wrong with our democracies that people feel so disenfranchised that the normal channels aren't working and they resort to violent protest. I wonder, if too much power has passed from our government, to unelected multi national companies and a small group of very wealthy private equity individuals, such that the majority don't have a say (if they ever did ~ but we have better communication now).

I was listening to Benjamin Zephaniah talking about the Peterloo massacre on the radio the other night (and Shelley), so maybe it's more a question of more knowledge now and communication.

 

[le bon paysan]

30% of farms to be shut! Madness!

 

[Homesy]

30% of farms to be shut! Madness!

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But it’s to comply with your wonderful EU policy. Must be the correct thing to do.

 

[Ben B]

Try the Australian Sky News on Youtube

Take that with a grain of salt. As much as I don't like Albo. Sky compared Albo in Europe for the meetings and a trip to Ukraine with scomo on holidays in Hawaii during the bush fires.. Old mate can't even get the story straight.

 

[Farmer_Joe]

30% of farms to be shut! Madness!

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Why is this happening?

 

[le bon paysan]

Why is this happening?

Very intensive farms, Nitrates in water etc. All the Farmers fault. They say.

 

[le bon paysan]

But it’s to comply with your wonderful EU policy. Must be the correct thing to do.

More than one way to skin a cat. This isn't it. Where do they think all their sewage sludge goes, phosphates in washing powder etc.

 

[Turnip]

But it’s to comply with your wonderful EU policy. Must be the correct thing to do.

Not sure where this EU blaming is coming from as one of the arguments of the farmers is that in Germany they would not have to comply with these strict regulations, Germany is still a part of the EU aren't they? My experience with a lot of rules/regulations in NL is that they are trying to be more catholic than the pope.

 

[Turnip]

Take that with a grain of salt. As much as I don't like Albo. Sky compared Albo in Europe for the meetings and a trip to Ukraine with scomo on holidays in Hawaii during the bush fires.. Old mate can't even get the story straight.

Definitely had to chuckle when he called Mark Rutte a leftist, okay his party is center right but nowhere near a lefty from my experience.

 

[Homesy]

Not sure where this EU blaming is coming from as one of the arguments of the farmers is that in Germany they would not have to comply with these strict regulations, Germany is still a part of the EU aren't they? My experience with a lot of rules/regulations in NL is that they are trying to be more catholic than the pope.

Yeah well just think what DEFRA would be trying to do to us if we were still members of the EU. The targets and directives are from the EU. As for Germany, it’s one rule for them and another for everyone else. They are now going back to coal for power stations and painting it as green.

 

[andybk]

30% of farms to be shut! Madness!

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Our govenment wouldn't be so obvious , but will come to the same conclusion, just shutting the money supply (food security ) off adding regulation and allowing the cartel free reign to keep cheap food in the supermarkets from wherever .

 

[le bon paysan]

Yeah well just think what DEFRA would be trying to do to us if we were still members of the EU. The targets and directives are from the EU. As for Germany, it’s one rule for them and another for everyone else. They are now going back to coal for power stations and painting it as green.

Yeh, you'd still have your subs.
Thanks for proving the point it's individual governments that interpret and implement the rules.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Not sure where this EU blaming is coming from as one of the arguments of the farmers is that in Germany they would not have to comply with these strict regulations, Germany is still a part of the EU aren't they? My experience with a lot of rules/regulations in NL is that they are trying to be more catholic than the pope.

which was always one of my gripes with our civil service, worst words from any bureaucracy is "it would be good practice to...."

My impression has always been that the Dutch are very intensive and extremely efficient farmers. When I worked for Wyevale, we had trees imported from Holland, and everything that arrived was like peas in a pod, so their agricultural system is very on the ball, however I think all our intensive systems are producing lots of pollution. I have read on here, that dairy farms are sending slurry to Germany (by lorry) to be spread as they haven't got the land to spread it.

 

[JP1]

which was always one of my gripes with our civil service, worst words from any bureaucracy is "it would be good practice to...."

My impression has always been that the Dutch are very intensive and extremely efficient farmers. When I worked for Wyevale, we had trees imported from Holland, and everything that arrived was like peas in a pod, so their agricultural system is very on the ball, however I think all our intensive systems are producing lots of pollution. I have read on here, that dairy farms are sending slurry to Germany (by lorry) to be spread as they haven't got the land to spread it.

Pig and cattle slurry. There are whole logistics companies involved in servicing this

 

[andybk]

Pig and cattle slurry. There are whole logistics companies involved in servicing this

total environmental foot print must be huge !

 

[Turnip]

Yeah well just think what DEFRA would be trying to do to us if we were still members of the EU. The targets and directives are from the EU. As for Germany, it’s one rule for them and another for everyone else. They are now going back to coal for power stations and painting it as green.

So the UK is out of the EU and lets look at CO2 emission reduction targets, please correct me if I am wrong but the targets are:
EU - 61% reduction by 2030
UK - 68% reduction by 2030
Seems to me that if the UK were still in the EU there might have been a chance for a lower target. Being part of the EU isn't all bad and it allows countries to have the same bottom line, or lowest standard. One of the things that annoyed the hell out of me in a previous career was the fact that the UK electrical standards were ridiculously complex and expensive compared to other EU countries. Can't blame the EU for it as the standards are imposed by the local governments who need to meet the minimum requirements that are agreed EU wide.

Sources:

Fit for 55 package: Council reaches general approaches relating to emissions reductions and their social impacts

The Council today adopted its negotiating positions (general approaches) on proposals of the ‘Fit for 55’ package relating to the EU emissions trading system (EU ETS), effort-sharing between member states in non-ETS sectors (ESR), emissions and removals from land use, land-use change and...

www.consilium.europa.eu

UK enshrines new target in law to slash emissions by 78% by 2035

The UK’s sixth Carbon Budget will incorporate the UK’s share of international aviation and shipping emissions for the first time, to bring the UK more than three-quarters of the way to net zero by 2050.

www.gov.uk

 

[Ffermer Bach]

So the UK is out of the EU and lets look at CO2 emission reduction targets, please correct me if I am wrong but the targets are:
EU - 61% reduction by 2030
UK - 68% reduction by 2030
Seems to me that if the UK were still in the UK there might have been a chance for a lower target. Being part of the EU isn't all bad and it allows countries to have the same bottom line, or lowest standard. One of the things that annoyed the hell out of me in a previous career was the fact that the UK electrical standards were ridiculously complex and expensive compared to other EU countries. Can't blame the EU for it as the standards are imposed by the local governments who need to meet the minimum requirements that are agreed EU wide.

Sources:

Fit for 55 package: Council reaches general approaches relating to emissions reductions and their social impacts

The Council today adopted its negotiating positions (general approaches) on proposals of the ‘Fit for 55’ package relating to the EU emissions trading system (EU ETS), effort-sharing between member states in non-ETS sectors (ESR), emissions and removals from land use, land-use change and...

www.consilium.europa.eu

UK enshrines new target in law to slash emissions by 78% by 2035

The UK’s sixth Carbon Budget will incorporate the UK’s share of international aviation and shipping emissions for the first time, to bring the UK more than three-quarters of the way to net zero by 2050.

www.gov.uk

as I have said, our civil service is not fit for purpose, I suppose at least they are not doing much at the moment, as they are mostly "working from home"!

 

[andybk]

protest is spreading

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1545092882268360704

 

[Eildon Hill]

I'm curious as to why
@BBCNews
is not covering this? Police firing on demonstrators? Country brought to a standstill? If this was a pride march - or an anti-racism demonstration - it would be headline news. Why are you not covering this?



spiked-online.com
A people’s revolt against eco-tyranny
From the Netherlands to Sri Lanka, people have had enough of the elite’s green hysteria.

 

[Turnip]

I'm curious as to why
@BBCNews
is not covering this? Police firing on demonstrators? Country brought to a standstill? If this was a pride march - or an anti-racism demonstration - it would be headline news. Why are you not covering this?

spiked-online.com
A people’s revolt against eco-tyranny
From the Netherlands to Sri Lanka, people have had enough of the elite’s green hysteria.

Because the news outlets can fill their time/column inches with what is happening domestically.