Electric vehicles will cost more to run than petrol vehicles after October

[Interested in farming]

Seems to me jobs in all walks of life including farming are seen as moving elsewhere, I've a feeling mass unemployment & all the grief that goes with that isn't so very far away, they talk of people having a living wage instead whether they work or not but always fail to say who is going to foot the bill.

Ooh this thread wildly off topic love it.

AI is an interesting one as is robotization in that some stuff we are way behind where I thought we would be (self drving cars) but in others way ahead. Hard to say what the impact will be but if history tells me anything new tech is just a way for the board to get more out of me

We're surfing the end of a demographic wave and are going to be facing a shrinking population over the next 60-70 years until we reach stability (unless there is another European conflict which will lead to another baby boom). We had post war austerity until the boomer generation reached maturity and now we are headed into austerity as that wave moves from contributor back to 'burden' (economically) and even with AI we are going to be in a period of high demand for labour. In fact one of the problems with a war is that there isn't a huge non working population to take up the slack to replace of those sent to fight as Israel and Ukraine are finding. But that's a whole other thing.

 

[Interested in farming]

That's why I'm hoping for an Edison converted HGV so it doesn't hurt so much when a car crashes into me.

I don't know I guess a lot depends on the area there was enough work for my cousin's boss to send him for training and to get certified along with another on EVs not that I believe my cousin still works for him after he through a temper tantrum and something else I believe after he asked for time off when his daughter was rushed into A&E.

Things do still go wrong with some although Tesla have supposedly got better which I believe left several stuck in the lane though their go to fix did just use to be to put it on charge and say the battery went flat because they had the display configured wrong.

Personally I am rather looking forward to the Edison/Deboss pick-up conversion.

I think there is definitely an issue with 'repair' as opposed to 'service' in costs and safety. I can see problems with cheap Chinese 2 post lifts and people not thinking it through (like has it been torqued properly into the concrete). Accident repair and parts availability are certainly things that will steer me away.

Form what I hear there are reliable and unreliable EVs I just get frustrated when people say 'EV unreliable petrol reliable' when there were just 2.0Tdi after 2.0ti (and ok 1.6 as well) sh***ing the bed on our forecourt. Not to mention DPF, DMF and all the other 3 letter acronyms that = unhappy customer. You want problems though , buy a 2.2 Mazda diesel

 

[Cheesehead]

I think there is definitely an issue with 'repair' as opposed to 'service' in costs and safety. I can see problems with cheap Chinese 2 post lifts and people not thinking it through (like has it been torqued properly into the concrete). Accident repair and parts availability are certainly things that will steer me away.

Form what I hear there are reliable and unreliable EVs I just get frustrated when people say 'EV unreliable petrol reliable' when there were just 2.0Tdi after 2.0ti (and ok 1.6 as well) sh***ing the bed on our forecourt. Not to mention DPF, DMF and all the other 3 letter acronyms that = unhappy customer. You want problems though , buy a 2.2 Mazda diesel

I like the one where there is a crossbar between the posts up top guy usually worked on cars with a low hight. Puts van on it tin work versus beam put a trough in the van until the safety cut it off.

Love watching the Real Mechanic videos on youtube especially the swearing as they find 5mm clearance with 30mm of bolt through the pulley. Loved the remark by one of theirs, "did it once pulled the engine never again! If someone comes in with one they can take that .... back out!"

Edit: Mum's brother in law rather than brother I believe got one (Mazda 2.2) from the main dealer used, it lasted a week. Hadn't disclosed it had taken a wack bending part of the subframe was kind of like driving the loader down the road when the all wheel steer didn't lock straight. Went back to a Fiesta though I think he wishes he had kept his old MK1 Escort.

 

[Lincsman]

There are a few factors most forget, this transition is going to take time even in a best case, our need for fossil fuels was 100%, moving our economy away from that will take decades, and not just one or 2 more like 4 or more, then you look at fossil fuel predictions of supply etc do the maths, at some point you have to plan for crude oils production to fall, and the need to find alternatives to it, if doing so will take decades best case. Then when should we start?
as we run out of crude oil? or decades before we are predicted to run out of it, or it go into shorter supply?
Which is the bigger problem have an world economy 100% linked to fossil fuels and not making the transition when they were still cheap and plentiful, or after they start to go in short supply? Then try to make a multi decade transition away from them while they are in ever shortening supply?

fail to plan is a plan to fail.
The transition is essential if you cannot see that you’re not living in touch with reality, it’s always better to plan forward especially when you rely so heavily on something.

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How long is the world's oil supply going to last?​

It's difficult to know how much oil is actually left on the planet and there’s quite a bit of disagreement on when exactly we’ll run out. However, as of 2023, there should be enough oil left to meet global demand for at least 27 more years.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/energy/run-out-of-oil.htm

so if that is correct not sure if it is, but let’s take that as a possibility, 27 years to wean off transport from oil, and it will take decades to just build that number of EV vehicles, Huston we have a problem, we need to start now or we are in deep doo, doo.

the great thing is as we do ramp up that oil will last longer so making the transition now help extend the time line we have to work with, but the slower we take the bigger the potential problems with supply maybe.
And how bad is not getting fuel at the pump, compared with you can charge a car from solar if needed. As problems go.

big picture stuff means the transition is essential even when you take climate change off the table.

There is plenty of oil left, just what does the price have to be to make it viable to get it, plenty of sites have reopened as a new way to get it came along.

 

[snarling bee]

Not read whole thread.
BUT
My Kia e Niro costs exactly the same to run after October. Charge up off solar panels, FA BIK, 7 year warranty, 4 free services - what's not to like.

 

[Dave645]

There is plenty of oil left, just what does the price have to be to make it viable to get it, plenty of sites have reopened as a new way to get it came along.

sure, what's your prediction of how long oil will last if we don't change, then calculate how long it will take to change before it's too expensive or runs out, then base a policy to make those needed changes to avoid expensive oil or it running out while our economy relies on it?

would anything we are doing now actually change?

I actually think not, and that's the second big reason the worlds governments have changed polices and while they talk climate, in the back of their minds oil is always there, if you have an economy tied to oil when it starts to get expensive or run out, things get very bad, very fast.

making the transition is the only sensible thing to do on so many levels.

 

[warksfarmer]

Might already of been mentioned but there's talk of removing vat on elec cars in the budget tomorrow according to an accountant I spoke to this morning.

 

[Lincsman]

sure, what's your prediction of how long oil will last if we don't change, then calculate how long it will take to change before it's too expensive or runs out, then base a policy to make those needed changes to avoid expensive oil or it running out while our economy relies on it?

would anything we are doing now actually change?

I actually think not, and that's the second big reason the worlds governments have changed polices and while they talk climate, in the back of their minds oil is always there, if you have an economy tied to oil when it starts to get expensive or run out, things get very bad, very fast.

making the transition is the only sensible thing to do on so many levels.

First predictions were to run out in the 1990's, and the date keeps moving onwards, it is still being made you know... slowly!

 

[Poorbuthappy]

Heavier cars definitely eat tyres faster thats just physics.

It's not even that straightforward.

My Uncle has a Fiesta, top trim.
He get through between 3 and 4 sets of tyres in the same miles I get through 1 set in our Enyaq ev.
He was a mechanic, so it's not because of poor maintenance either.
Appreciate the Enyaq tyres are bigger, but not 4 x the size.

 

[Poorbuthappy]

Cheaper options keep appearing.

 

[Lincsman]

Cheaper options keep appearing.

And so they should, electric milk floats were not expensive.

 

[Bury the Trash]

 

[JP1]

Nothing new under the Sun

 

[killie_cowboy]

It's not even that straightforward.

My Uncle has a Fiesta, top trim.
He get through between 3 and 4 sets of tyres in the same miles I get through 1 set in our Enyaq ev.
He was a mechanic, so it's not because of poor maintenance either.
Appreciate the Enyaq tyres are bigger, but not 4 x the size.

There are so many variables though like make and therefore compound of the tyre and driving style. I chow through a set of Dunlops on the front of my Ibiza in 10k miles because its big licks everywhere I go. But on the Discovery there was a pair of Goodyears bought for the front and they melted away in no time compared to the Pirellis.

 

[Clive]

Might already of been mentioned but there's talk of removing vat on elec cars in the budget tomorrow according to an accountant I spoke to this morning.

errrm ?

 

[Johnnyboxer]

VED is being introduced in April 2925 for EV’s

 

[Clive]

VED is being introduced in April 2925 for EV’s

on cars registered after april 1st 2025 …….. £10 in year one then £180/yr after that

deal breaker

 

[Johnnyboxer]

on cars registered after april 1st 2025 …….. £10 in year one then £180/yr after that

deal breaker

Slippery slope

 

[warksfarmer]

I cant get elec to stack up for me here. I have honestly tried but there's nothing on the market so I've just bought a new v6 diesel pickup again. I'll have another look in 3 years time.

 

[sjt01]

I cant get elec to stack up for me here. I have honestly tried but there's nothing on the market so I've just bought a new v6 diesel pickup again. I'll have another look in 3 years time.

We had a look at the Maxus T90, it was under-specced, over priced and poor mechanical design underneath so still have our Defender TD5 Hi-Cap
According to Parkers https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans-pickups/best/electric-pickups/
the only one likely to appear in the UK is the Fisker, and they are on shaky financial ground at the moment. Their cars are built at Magna Steyr where the Jaguar iPace is made.