ELMS plans unveiled.

[Farmer1001]

Worth a read, ahead of Eustace talking in detail this week.

New details of the flagship Environmental Land Management scheme unveiled by Environment Secretary – Defra in the media

Updates from Defra

deframedia.blog.gov.uk

 

[teslacoils]

I read this:

"valued by the public but not sufficiently provided for by the market"

As meaning we will subsidise things that consumers won't pay for but want.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

A friends gaffer has been in on some of the consultations to decide policy.

Long story short, he thinks there will be a huge push toward less acres cropped. Maybe no surprise, but it could be surprising just how big the push could be.

Not good for lime or fertiliser sales is how he put it to me.

 

[farmerm]

https://consult.defra.gov.uk/elm/el...uments/elmdiscussiondocument20200225a 002.pdf

thoughts?

feel like we should all contribute to the consultation as you can be sure anyone with an anti-farmer agenda will be getting their 2p in...

One thing is clear, ELMs does not appear to be is a farm life support system in the way SFP and BPS has been for many producers... For those whos farming business would not be viable without BPS it is difficult to see how they will survive when BPS fades and ELMs comes in.

 

[DRC]

The bit about higher animal welfare . Can we have an undertaking that we won’t accept produce from countries with lower standards than ours?

 

[Henarar]

The bit about higher animal welfare . Can we have an undertaking that we won’t accept produce from countries with lower standards than ours?

That made me laugh

 

[E_B]

The biggest concern is the vague terminology over setting payment rates. The words 'tendering' and 'auctioning' are used, and also 'supply and demand'. Perhaps farmers will be under-bidding each other in online auctions to determine whose prepared to grow a cover crop for the least amount?

 

[spin cycle]

Long story short, he thinks there will be a huge push toward less acres cropped. Maybe no surprise, but it could be surprising just how big the push could be.
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thats my take.....can't see any other outcome unless there's a massive hike in farm gate prices which seems unlikely

 

[GeorgeK]

Page 9 (f): "Allow local stakeholders to have a bigger role in deciding how local priorities can be best delivered"

Local vegan/rambling/badger etc group in charge of your environment schemes?

 

[DRC]

As usual, the devil will be in the detail.

 

[Steevo]

As usual, the devil will be in the detail.

...and the detail will arrive far too late.

 

[Against_the_grain]

Page 9 (f): "Allow local stakeholders to have a bigger role in deciding how local priorities can be best delivered"

Local vegan/rambling/badger etc group in charge of your environment schemes?

If this is the case I cant see the uptake being very high.
At the end of the day these schemes need to appeal to farmers or they simply wont be the uptake required to make them work.

 

[steveR]

If this is the case I cant see the uptake being very high.
At the end of the day these schemes need to appeal to farmers or they simply wont be the uptake required to make them work.

The Govt and "stakeholders" are probably working on imminent bankruptcy changing minds in the farming community...

 

[Ukjay]

If this is the case I cant see the uptake being very high.
At the end of the day these schemes need to appeal to farmers or they simply wont be the uptake required to make them work.

Isn't that the purpose though?

Going to be an extremely rocky ride I believe, especially for one's who do actually rely on the legacy system... because let's face it, it cannot continue in the present way, the same as highstreets failing and businesses folding every day - the good years have well and truly left the building...

One thing for certain.

We are all gonna be impacted one way or another, but the most worrying thing for me - is that there is no unified approach in this country, each to their own etc... so buckle up..

 

[Neddy flanders]

weren't we "consulted" a while ago ? filled in a questionnaire. wrote a letter? did anyone care? no, it just makes DEFRA feel better and allows them a cop out when they fail.

 

[spin cycle]

Isn't that the purpose though?

Going to be an extremely rocky ride I believe, especially for one's who do actually rely on the legacy system... because let's face it, it cannot continue in the present way, the same as highstreets failing and businesses folding every day - the good years have well and truly left the building...

One thing for certain.

We are all gonna be impacted one way or another, but the most worrying thing for me - is that there is no unified approach in this country, each to their own etc... so buckle up..

+1 .....low uptake means they save money.....production will plummet at current prices.....time to 'run to the hills'

 

[Ukjay]

+1 .....low uptake means they save money.....production will plummet at current prices.....time to 'run to the hills'

I ain't running anywhere, too bloody old for that ?

 

[yellow belly]

read through it
have I digested it ,not sure
the plan
my current stewardship runs out in 2022 reaply with as many options as I can for the period 2023 to 2028
this will need all my landlords ( 8 of them) to consent and very likely the term of tenancies will need to coinside with stewardship
I expect with some persuasion they will come onside mainly because they will need the rent and without stewardship and elms the rent will be negligible or they will end up farming and after 2012 and 2019 2020 winter they may not find that to their financial benefit in the long run

 

[Hindsight]

The biggest concern is the vague terminology over setting payment rates. The words 'tendering' and 'auctioning' are used, and also 'supply and demand'. Perhaps farmers will be under-bidding each other in online auctions to determine whose prepared to grow a cover crop for the least amount?

There is only so much money. The Mid Tier Scheme was intended to be competitive - and may be if more farmers apply this year. So, yes - think if one is farming flat land in the Fens north of Boston there is not much hope!

 

[DrWazzock]

If I had a factory in town would they pay me to stop production, let the roof fall in and allow scrub to overrun the site. That’s a bit what it feels like to me.

rewilding doesn’t really need payments. It will happen if we just stop farming. So not sure what they really want. Large scale herbaceous borders, woodland, managed flower meadows, so we are gardeners. Sounds like it could be very very expensive for all concerned and very complicated.

not that enthusiastic to be honest. Sell it to inheritance tax dodgers who know how to milk the system might be way forward or just carry on without it.
Its a bit like the war ag in reverse. I am waiting for the day when somebody is put out of a farm for being a tidy farmer and “ degrading” the environment.