ELMS trying to cash starve farms into closure!!!!!!

[Bossfarmer]

Having read whats on offer for grassland farmers in the new english sub system the governments intentions are now clear in black & white, they want to shut down the UK livestock sector,

There is nowhere to go now for these farms margins are already incredibly tight, taking away their bps which is essentially most of their profit is disgraceful dress it up how you like

This is FACT, a defra advisor on here has brushed over anyones attempts to get to the bottom of this, and does nothing but patronise anyone that asks how on earth livestock farmers can recoup their bps

Before anyone brings my own farm into the equation im in scotland and my farm is arable ground and arable options are better, the way this reads though civil servants have taken over the UK farming industry and want to kill the livestock sector

 

[Muddyroads]

Pretty much sums it up. I guess white meat production will largely be unaffected as many of the systems weren’t eligible for BPS but beef and lamb will be. Good milk prices have sheltered the dairy sector last year but if the predicted price cuts come in this year they are likely to start shouting a lot more loudly than the meat producers are able to.

 

[Bossfarmer]

Pretty much sums it up. I guess white meat production will largely be unaffected as many of the systems weren’t eligible for BPS but beef and lamb will be. Good milk prices have sheltered the dairy sector last year but if the predicted price cuts come in this year they are likely to start shouting a lot more loudly than the meat producers are able to.

If this isnt the case then perhaps @Janet Hughes Defra can tell us all what exactly is being done in this sub reform to encourage maintaining/increasing the red meat sector in England which has been in decline???

Since farming is all about food production afterall????

Give us honesty, dont patronise the livestock sector

 

[Muddyroads]

I went to a meeting yesterday discussing a land use framework for Devon. It started with a slide showing the governments National priorities for land use, around 10-12 of them. Not one of them mentioned food production.
Pretty much summed up what we’re up against.

 

[Bossfarmer]

@gone up the hill @Hilly

 

[Hilly]

I went to a meeting yesterday discussing a land use framework for Devon. It started with a slide showing the governments National priorities for land use, around 10-12 of them. Not one of them mentioned food production.
Pretty much summed up what we’re up against.

Hungry masses will take down pee pot politicians and re build farming .

 

[Bossfarmer]

Hungry masses will take down pee pot politicians and re build farming .

Lets hope they dont just let south american beef in once they bleed our own farmers dry

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Having read whats on offer for grassland farmers in the new english sub system the governments intentions are now clear in black & white, they want to shut down the UK livestock sector,

There is nowhere to go now for these farms margins are already incredibly tight, taking away their bps which is essentially most of their profit is disgraceful dress it up how you like

This is FACT, a defra advisor on here has brushed over anyones attempts to get to the bottom of this, and does nothing but patronise anyone that asks how on earth livestock farmers can recoup their bps

Before anyone brings my own farm into the equation im in scotland and my farm is arable ground and arable options are better, the way this reads though civil servants have taken over the UK farming industry and want to kill the livestock sector

How do you fare in Scotland?
Are you personally and your suckler beef unaffected?

 

[Hilly]

Lets hope they dont just let south american beef in once they bleed our own farmers dry

Im past caring to be honest, they let it in now anyway .

 

[Bossfarmer]

How do you fare in Scotland?
Are you personally and your suckler beef unaffected?

At the moment, i could crop everything but i feel the mixed farming system is what farmings all about

 

[gone up the hill]

@gone up the hill @Hilly

@cattleman123

 

[Hilly]

I reckon the Scott’s will be worse then the english with the amount of clout the greens have up here , time will tell …

 

[gone up the hill]

I went to a meeting yesterday discussing a land use framework for Devon. It started with a slide showing the governments National priorities for land use, around 10-12 of them. Not one of them mentioned food production.
Pretty much summed up what we’re up against.

Quite clear after this week ref the new SFI scheme news that the Gov's clear agenda is to destroy the UK livestock industry and replace it with imported food...

And we know how well destroying the UK energy producing industry and being reliant on imports instead has ended up...................

 

[Bossfarmer]

Quite clear after this week ref the new SFI scheme news that the Gov's clear agenda is to destroy the UK livestock industry and replace it with imported food...

And we know how well destroying the UK energy producing industry and being reliant on imports instead has ended up...................

Id like them to at least come out and admit it

 

[gone up the hill]

Id like them to at least come out and admit it

They will never do that!

 

[glow worm]

IF enough knowledgeable and skilled farmers are still available. Looking after acres of trees is a very different skill to looking after livestock .. be it with 4 legs or 2 ..and producing food for an ever increasing worldwide population. I can only speak for the westcountry but down here most already farm with consideration and much appreciation for the wildlife and environment that we are privileged to live and work in, as well as supplying commercial volumes of food. The knowledge gap between farmers and non farmers appears to be getting ever wider. Visitors rightfully love coming down to the westcountry and admire the scenery around Dartmoor and Exmoor for example but seem oblivious as to the reasons for all the hedges around the fields and seem to think its just for their pleasure. Oh its late, been a long day and I feel like a rant after seeing the newspaper headlines today that consumers are facing a 16.5 o/o increase in food costs. Hello!! Farmers are also facing that same increase + OH reckons at least 34 o/o increase in production input costs .. feed, fuel, wages etc etc .. + now the milk price cuts of 3p a litre are coming. I saw a comment on another site of a farmer that was told by a walker that 'we don't need farmers as ASDA has it all' Time I went to bed I think!

 

[010101]

Start doing the numbers, because the DEFRA committee has.
I know it is not fair that we have to do more than just sit around talking to each other about figures, but they don't. In fact they get paid for it. So let's step up and try and see what it is that they are really thinking.
First point of discussion: Are their conclusions summed up on an Excel spreadsheet?

If YES, then what are the column headings and what ball park figures can we estimate?

A big one of them is going to be future total persons employed and what can they offer to the massively commercialised education sector in terms of student placements and the wage levels needed to attract entrants to the various courses offered.

Another column is going to be total sector debt. Never underestimate how important this is in terms of derivative securitisation for the credit markets (a huge part of UK plc turnover).

With these two Domestic Product categories (as credits on one side of the balance sheet) the ratio to total support program debits could, and likely would, be used as a comparison for their performance as a government dept by the Ministers.

ELMS is probably targeted at the type of farmer who has a high quotient of debt and higher educational employee needs.
It is not necessarily a bad thing, be it that livestock farmers somehow have to jump through these hoops as certainly as the arable sector can.

Every livestock farm needs an on-site geneticist and a state of the art laboratory built with private sector debt (business services and finance category), right?

You want to play farmer in a GDP targeting economy? Then target your GDP potential and the state's favour will follow.

 

[Courier]

Historically energy production in the form of feeding the draft horse took a fair proportion of UK farmland, only the introduction of fossil fuels has allowed farmers efforts to concentrate on feeding human populations.

 

[Bald Rick]

Pretty much sums it up. I guess white meat production will largely be unaffected as many of the systems weren’t eligible for BPS but beef and lamb will be. Good milk prices have sheltered the dairy sector last year but if the predicted price cuts come in this year they are likely to start shouting a lot more loudly than the meat producers are able to.

More like price slashing my friend.

2ppl off Feb
4ppl off March

and that's just my own dairy who were kind enough to inform me that this was only the start and unless there was an immediate market correction, prices were likely to drop much further.


Last farmer out of the UK, please turn off the lights

 

[aangus]

The one thing we should all do and that is also to go on strike and show this government that we do stand as one, they should acknowledge where their food comes from and appreciate what farmers actually do for this country and the people who live here.