midlandslad
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Has anyone been asked to be a pilot for the new scheme?
ELMS
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DEFRA are running the pilot schemes with industry partners and then those partners find the farms - for example, the RSPB have a couple, NFU have several (there one in the South East is all about the application process rather than implementation). ELMs as a scheme doesn't really exist yet, its just lots of ideas so DEFRA aren't approaching farms directly
Yes, our forestry consultant is involved in one at landscape level. We're participating but this has only just started & I won't be here to see how it develops. I'm not sure if they are including the in hand farm here but that was the original proposal. We're in Higher Tier CS at the moment already, as well as a farmer cluster.
- Location
- Suffolk
I fear the uptake of new ELMS will be very low unless they are somewhat different to current stewardship schemes. I can't see why many would bother with payments roughly the same as an arable gross margin?
Mixedupfarmer
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- Norfolk
And payments months after you could have sold any crops or stock produced on the land put in the scheme
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- S.E
Cynic in me says that's the point....
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- Suffolk
I hope not, the nation has a lot to gain if done correctly.
Many agents are talking as if ELMS are a BPS replacement... in many cases they might not cover the income forgone!
I’m planning to not do it. Try and bump up other income streams.
Covering income foregone was exactly what previous schemes were aimed at. ELMS will need to be a little better than that IMO. Putting a bigger % of your farm into it requires restructuring your other overheads.
Of course if the gross or net margin on everything else falls should we face unrestricted imports and restricted exports there will be a lower level to compete with so ELMS payment rates need not be that high to look a viable alternative to lower priced foods.
What NE and DEFRA never really got was the cost of an entire scheme rather than an individual option. If I break even on my Higher Tier I will Ben surprised. Some of the options we had to do to protect SSSIs and Scheduled Monuments as part of the deal cost more than double the payment. Other options pay better when on marginal land like awkward field corners.
I was asked if I was interested, having done Stewardship trial work before, but declined this time...
About to transition out of an HLS next Summer and joining a STW scheme this year, all made it too complicated and messy to deal with.
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- Location
- South Molton
Yes I am to be involved with a pilot scheme in Devon this summer.
Have been involved with old CSS and new CSS hoping to make the new scheme more user freindly than the last one!
Have been involved with old CSS and new CSS hoping to make the new scheme more user freindly than the last one!
Select committee on ELMs today
Interesting that they aren't replacing the software they've been using that management will be by the RPA (although we already knew that), sounds like they are very closely mirror CSS but with more of an aim at cross farm collaboration for landscape-scale change.
Glad that Neil Parish is involved, keeping them in hand
Glad that Neil Parish is involved, keeping them in hand
- Location
- Lincs / Cambs border
Why won’t you be there ?
easyram1
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- North Shropshire
I have just watched the whole of the hearing. Really interesting and a lot more detail of what is heading our way than I was aware of. Well worth a listen
Select committee on ELMs today
midlandslad
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- Midlands
Good or bad news?
Monthly payments!!
Low levels of buracracy
Lots of stuff that "farmers will engage with..." 85,000 of us apparently
Go to 14min for some good details on some options...
Going to be a field day for "Advisers" to farmers and land managers.
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David Kennedy a good communicator, Tamara Finkelstein less so....
midlandslad
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- Midlands
Any ideas on payment levels?