Employing self employed people

[watcher72]

The person who is paying the self employed person. Just the same as an employee.

I was under the impression that a self employed person was liable to rectify any damage or mistake made by themselves?

 

[Highland Mule]

That would surely depend on the contract you have with between service provider and client. Costs arising from an error on the part of the service provider may be covered by the provider's professional indemnity insurance, subject to an appropriate excess.

 

[watcher72]

now lets take about real life on farm

 

[Highland Mule]

If it were a £1000+ tyre I bust from my own error as a contractor, I'd be speaking to my insurer. If it were a £200 job, I'd be taking it on the chin. For a £50 repair, I'd be hoping the farmer put it down to fair wear and tear.

Edit: And even if not a formal contract for each client, I would want something in writing to protect both parties from any future HMRC investigation.

 

[watcher72]

I owe them between 500-1000
they did more than that in damage

 

[Highland Mule]

Assuming that you are the client, send them a formal letter stating you think the damage has been done due to their negligence and seeking repair costs are met, and get them to speak to their insurer.

 

[d williams]

And people wonder why they can't find staff or grumble at a double digit hourly charge

 

[watcher72]

And people wonder why they can't find staff or grumble at a double digit hourly charge

We have no problem with paying any good staff double digit rates as long as they are reliable and conscientious.

Over £100 per week for damage to equipment is not that. Hence why they weren't asked back

 

[Highland Mule]

We have no problem with paying any good staff double digit rates as long as they are reliable and conscientious.

Over £100 per week for damage to equipment is not that. Hence why they weren't asked back

Careful now - if they are self employed, they're not your staff - get the basics right or you'll end up with all sorts of trouble.

Curious too that you refer to 'they' - is it more than one person, and are they engaged as a group or as individuals?

 

[TripleSix]

If you're self employed on an hourly rate you're covered by your employer's insurance.

If you're in working to a set price, you're a "Contractor" and must have your own insurance.

 

[Highland Mule]

If you're self employed on an hourly rate you're covered by your employer's insurance.

If you're in working to a set price, you're a "Contractor" and must have your own insurance.

If you're self employed, you are by definition your own employer !

 

[Sharpy]

I was under the impression that a self employed person was liable to rectify any damage or mistake made by themselves?

If you have a firm in doing a job (eg a contractor) and they break something its their problem. If you have someone in on a hourly rate and they break something its your problem.

 

[d williams]

We have no problem with paying any good staff double digit rates as long as they are reliable and conscientious.

Over £100 per week for damage to equipment is not that. Hence why they weren't asked back

I’m not saying you had a problem?
Do you think certificates would have made any difference to the damage caused?
I think you picked the wrong man to start with

 

[Sharpy]

We have no problem with paying any good staff double digit rates as long as they are reliable and conscientious.

Over £100 per week for damage to equipment is not that. Hence why they weren't asked back

Minimum wage is roughly £8.50 per hr. Once you add holidays (about 15% of worked time ) the true minimum wage is roughly £10.20. So you think that you are being good paying minimum wages while dodging employers pension contributions, NI contributions and supplying PPE. Get a grip.

 

[Highland Mule]

If you're self employed on an hourly rate you're covered by your employer's insurance.

If you're in working to a set price, you're a "Contractor" and must have your own insurance.

If you have a firm in doing a job (eg a contractor) and they break something its their problem. If you have someone in on a hourly rate and they break something its your problem.

Does that mean I've been wasting all my money having £5M of Professional Indemnity insurance cover whilst on a per hour contract?

 

[Sharpy]

Does that mean I've been wasting all my money having £5M of Professional Indemnity insurance cover whilst on a per hour contract?

No, I have similar cover, its a legal requirement as far as I know. Was explained to me as cover if I was ever sued or a member of the public was injured due to my actions.

 

[ploughman1963]

We were told we would not be able to continue as a fencing contractor for the County Council unless we paid to be vetted (painful ) and join an approved contractor scheme. Its easy they said!! After, numerous wasted hours I basically told them I wasnt interested and you will have to get another contractor. Guess what, 2 months later and I am being asked to quote on jobs and some 3-4 years later we are still doing work for them and the scheme has never been mentioned again.

 

[tullah]

We were told we would not be able to continue as a fencing contractor for the County Council unless we paid to be vetted (painful ) and join an approved contractor scheme. Its easy they said!! After, numerous wasted hours I basically told them I wasnt interested and you will have to get another contractor. Guess what, 2 months later and I am being asked to quote on jobs and some 3-4 years later we are still doing work for them and the scheme has never been mentioned again.

We should all treat RT Assurance following your example. Shame farmers can’t stick together and just do away with it.

 

[holywell farmer]

Evening,
We seem to be employing or using more self employed people for seasonal work. We have always just taken their invoice and paid as we go along. All nice and simple but now we are being told we need to see copies of their insurance. I assume that’ll be the public liability insurance? Does anyone else do this?

If self employed you can claim a tax rebate

 

[d williams]

If self employed you can claim a tax rebate

Only if you've overpaid your tax to start with