Equipment system implosion

[TelesnaAg]

In oz we are experiencing (i would think alot of western countries the same), a collision course with implosion.

The equipment is to technical for the staff available to fix and not reliable enough.

This goes for cars/utes as well.

1 month wait to get in at both my ford dealerships.

Auto sparky businesses that shut down during covid havent resumed with staff.

Ag Dealership diagnostic capabilities diminishing along with staff capacity.

Then the gear is being pushed by oem and govt policy to be highly technical, especially emissions.

Consumers in some sectors like road vehicles want high tech.

Some ag users want plain jane easy to fix.

This all seems to be a collision/implosion in process as we speak.

Ant...

 

[Kidds]

As far as pickups/utes and vans go, we have had a system imposed on us where the vehicles have a pollution control measure that requires a regular trip of 20 minutes or so at 60-70mph or they clog up. So 20 miles at fairly high speed.
I can't get 20 miles away from my place at less than about 45-60 minutes due to speed limits, type of road, traffic congestion, roadworks and road surface conditions. Inevitably my vehicles get clogged up, as does the wife's car, so I find myself having to blast up and down the nearest dual carriageway in each vehicle solely to keep the emission/pollution control system in working order.
How does that make any sense at all? I'm damned sure I am not alone.
If I want/need to go into town for any reason it is 10 miles or more in whichever direction I choose to go. Of those 10 miles the only place where you can legally go above 50 mph is the single track lane that I live down. You would have to be a complete lunatic to try to do that, it would be very dangerous and your car would be smashed to bits on the potholes.
The whole system is designed to fail.

 

[Clive]

i know people whose cars have been in dealerships for months waiting for diagnosis and parts

it’s getting silly in ag - absolutely nothing you can fix yourself on a lot of new kit so totally dependent upon the dealer

 

[TelesnaAg]

As far as pickups/utes and vans go, we have had a system imposed on us where the vehicles have a pollution control measure that requires a regular trip of 20 minutes or so at 60-70mph or they clog up. So 20 miles at fairly high speed.
I can't get 20 miles away from my place at less than about 45-60 minutes due to speed limits, type of road, traffic congestion, roadworks and road surface conditions. Inevitably my vehicles get clogged up, as does the wife's car, so I find myself having to blast up and down the nearest dual carriageway in each vehicle solely to keep the emission/pollution control system in working order.
How does that make any sense at all? I'm damned sure I am not alone.
If I want/need to go into town for any reason it is 10 miles or more in whichever direction I choose to go. Of those 10 miles the only place where you can legally go above 50 mph is the single track lane that I live down. You would have to be a complete lunatic to try to do that, it would be very dangerous and your car would be smashed to bits on the potholes.
The whole system is designed to fail.

All the car dealers locally dont work Saturday to catch up. And they have 4 to 6 weeks banked up.

Hows that work in a warranty vehicle???

Ant....

 

[TelesnaAg]

Vehicle wise im planning to go older not newer.

Ant...

 

[Netherfield]

As far as pickups/utes and vans go, we have had a system imposed on us where the vehicles have a pollution control measure that requires a regular trip of 20 minutes or so at 60-70mph or they clog up. So 20 miles at fairly high speed.
I can't get 20 miles away from my place at less than about 45-60 minutes due to speed limits, type of road, traffic congestion, roadworks and road surface conditions. Inevitably my vehicles get clogged up, as does the wife's car, so I find myself having to blast up and down the nearest dual carriageway in each vehicle solely to keep the emission/pollution control system in working order.
How does that make any sense at all? I'm damned sure I am not alone.
If I want/need to go into town for any reason it is 10 miles or more in whichever direction I choose to go. Of those 10 miles the only place where you can legally go above 50 mph is the single track lane that I live down. You would have to be a complete lunatic to try to do that, it would be very dangerous and your car would be smashed to bits on the potholes.
The whole system is designed to fail.

During early covid I'm sure I did more miles blowing the pollution out than actually useful driving.

 

[Kidds]

My pickup has the engine light on due to a sensor fault related to the adblue system. It works fine, it uses Adblue as it should and tells me when it needs filling up etc but the light is on. It would cost £1k try to get it fixed and chances are it would come back still not fixed £1k later.

My Van has the engine light on for pollution control. It cost me £670 to have it fixed a year ago, it came back not fixed, light still on. Apparently it needs a new relay, £80 to supply, £500 to fit. Probably won't fix it imo but the part required has been on back order for 12 months.

Both vehicles under 7 years old.

 

[jg123]

i know people whose cars have been in dealerships for months waiting for diagnosis and parts

it’s getting silly in ag - absolutely nothing you can fix yourself on a lot of new kit so totally dependent upon the dealer

You can still get basic kit. Basic sprayers and fert tubs with manual hydraulic shut offs and no gps. Basic box seed drills with very little electronics. Cables and control boxes rather than isobus. Basic (ish) tractors with Powershift and manual spools. People buying new kit want high tech tho.

 

[jg123]

Engine emissions has been forced on us tho and can be a right pain, when the whole world has these emissions rules and on the same playong field I'll accept to put up with them and not delete certain bits with a laptop

 

[onesiedale]

Only this morning I was reading the SFI options and it occurred to me that for some reason cameras and sensors on sprayers along with VR fert spreaders could actually be a lucrative option ... for the tech. sales people.

 

[Welderloon]

Been saying this for a while.
Much of the current tech exists due to being foisted upon us in the name of 'government targets' & very little in the name of practicality or profitability.
US Farmers have had a handle on this for a while & have been buying up aged equipment due to its simplicity.
Large Corporations, Governments & Globalisation have us by the balls.

 

[TelesnaAg]

You can still get basic kit. Basic sprayers and fert tubs with manual hydraulic shut offs and no gps. Basic box seed drills with very little electronics. Cables and control boxes rather than isobus. Basic (ish) tractors with Powershift and manual spools. People buying new kit want high tech tho.

All my farm gear is basic like this, even my mf7614 is not that techy.

Ute is 2019 ranger, im going to buy a runabout car thats like a 2005 model, use ute sparingly.

Ant...

 

[milkloss]

No going back now. The best we can hope for is that somehow we earn better so it can be paid for.

I won’t hold my breath.

 

[Rooney]

to "decoke" the engine you dont need to drive 70mph, just stick in 3rd gear and rev hard drive about 4 or 5 miles job done. Sound stupid like the whole emissions control system, burn more fuel to burn more efficiently !!!

 

[Farmer Roy]

I’ve decided to avoid all that

but this is my concession to technology, I won’t give this up. Been running various forms of autosteer / gps guidance for nearly 30 years now, would never give it up . . .

PS - the red tractor is 32 years old, has 17,000 hours ( or maybe it’s 27,000 hours ? ) on it & I bought it last year to replace a much newer NHT8040

 

[Banana Bar]

Land Rover dealer locally has > 150 vehicles waiting for repair, mainly new Defenders, BIL lost his for 7 weeks whilst waiting for diagnosis and repair.

BB

 

[ewald]

After years of running diesel cars, our latest family vehicle is petrol - I felt that newer diesels were too much of a reliability risk. Probably costing me about 15% more in fuel, I hope to save this long-term in reduced repair costs and inconvenience.

 

[Farmer Roy]

After years of running diesel cars, our latest family vehicle is petrol - I felt that newer diesels were too much of a reliability risk. Probably costing me about 15% more in fuel, I hope to save this long-term in reduced repair costs and inconvenience.

if you ignore fuel consumption comparisons, diesel fuel here is more expensive than petrol . . .

 

[ewald]

if you ignore fuel consumption comparisons, diesel fuel here is more expensive than petrol . . .

Same here - that was part of the 15% figure, I reckon the fuel consumption difference is about 20%

 

[Andrew1983]

Wife ran her pick up out of ad blue….. before she phoned me to get shouted at (second time she’s done it ) she got ad blue from a customer to fill it up. It still wouldn’t start so she phoned dealer. They wanted it recovered to them and it would be 6 weeks before they looked at it….. I told her the last time she did it I had to disconnect the battery for a short time to reset it….. that worked again….. 1 the dealer should have told her this on the phone and 2 six weeks to even look at it is ridiculous.