eu after a brexit?

[RobFZS]

You're crazy

Westminster is a legislation machine - that's all it can do.

If we leave ( and I fear we will) , you won't see any reduction in politicians, advisors , civil servants or legislation

I say again, we could be more efficient here and give a boost to the greater UK economy by moving the UK parliament out of London ( I like the idea of embedding it in Edinburgh) and further rationalising the number of MPs and the Lords

I would imagine per capita the EU legislation process is infinitely more efficient than any Member State's equivalent

And where does Westminster get the EU legislation from? i don't get it, you're saying we will have the same amount of legislation, when the biggest legislation body is removed? How? while the uk government is making inroads in to making the civil service more efficient, after decades of being allowed to get in the position it has, We're effectively paying 2 set's of people, to do the same job, it's like you're blind to the fact that the government is indeed cutting the civil service hard, and seeing as once again, osborne has missed his borrowing target again, he's gonna have to Cut even more in the autumn statement, as labour try and win votes with the line ' they're cutting the civil service to the bone' You say we won't have any less politicians? but is it not in the tories manifesto to cut down the size of governemt and make it more efficient anyway, they want parliament down to 600 mp's, the manifesto also say's they've cut down on 300 quango's and made the state smaller than any other time after ww2, so there is an appetite for a smaller state, while this government is in power, leaving the eu will amplify this.

The reason the eu get's away with it is because of the above view, they know people will blame the member states government for gold plating, they all do it, while the eu ratchet up the bureaucracy, juncker himself said they meddle too much in people's lives, yet is there going to be any fundamental change to stop this? i highly doubt it, it's just 2 face juncker trying to make out he's on our side and it's those nasty directly elected governments making their rules actually effect real people, he has the best of both worlds. being allowed to bring in more powers, while not being held accountable, but looking like he's on your side from the distance

 

[JP1]

And where does Westminster get the EU legislation from? i don't get it, you're saying we will have the same amount of legislation, when the biggest legislation body is removed? How? while the uk government is making inroads in to making the civil service more efficient, after decades of being allowed to get in the position it has, We're effectively paying 2 set's of people, to do the same job, it's like you're blind to the fact that the government is indeed cutting the civil service hard, and seeing as once again, osborne has missed his borrowing target again, he's gonna have to Cut even more in the autumn statement, as labour try and win votes with the line ' they're cutting the civil service to the bone' You say we won't have any less politicians? but is it not in the tories manifesto to cut down the size of governemt and make it more efficient anyway, they want parliament down to 600 mp's, the manifesto also say's they've cut down on 300 quango's and made the state smaller than any other time after ww2, so there is an appetite for a smaller state, while this government is in power, leaving the eu will amplify this.

The reason the eu get's away with it is because of the above view, they know people will blame the member states government for gold plating, they all do it, while the eu ratchet up the bureaucracy, juncker himself said they meddle too much in people's lives, yet is there going to be any fundamental change to stop this? i highly doubt it, it's just 2 face juncker trying to make out he's on our side and it's those nasty directly elected governments making their rules actually effect real people, he has the best of both worlds. being allowed to bring in more powers, while not being held accountable, but looking like he's on your side from the distance

Time will tell and if the Brexiters get their way, we'll see.

Personally I'm not holding my breath

I like a bit of pageantry myself but that's what it should be , a museum set

We need lean, smart, modern, minimal governance

 

[turbo]

And where does Westminster get the EU legislation from? i don't get it, you're saying we will have the same amount of legislation, when the biggest legislation body is removed? How? while the uk government is making inroads in to making the civil service more efficient, after decades of being allowed to get in the position it has, We're effectively paying 2 set's of people, to do the same job, it's like you're blind to the fact that the government is indeed cutting the civil service hard, and seeing as once again, osborne has missed his borrowing target again, he's gonna have to Cut even more in the autumn statement, as labour try and win votes with the line ' they're cutting the civil service to the bone' You say we won't have any less politicians? but is it not in the tories manifesto to cut down the size of governemt and make it more efficient anyway, they want parliament down to 600 mp's, the manifesto also say's they've cut down on 300 quango's and made the state smaller than any other time after ww2, so there is an appetite for a smaller state, while this government is in power, leaving the eu will amplify this.

The reason the eu get's away with it is because of the above view, they know people will blame the member states government for gold plating, they all do it, while the eu ratchet up the bureaucracy, juncker himself said they meddle too much in people's lives, yet is there going to be any fundamental change to stop this? i highly doubt it, it's just 2 face juncker trying to make out he's on our side and it's those nasty directly elected governments making their rules actually effect real people, he has the best of both worlds. being allowed to bring in more powers, while not being held accountable, but looking like he's on your side from the distance

So what rules are going to go?wfd,working time directive,bent bananas or emissions targets.

 

[caveman]

So what rules are going to go?wfd,working time directive,bent bananas or emissions targets.

You still don't get it. Do you?

 

[arbel]

And where does Westminster get the EU legislation from? i don't get it, you're saying we will have the same amount of legislation, when the biggest legislation body is removed? How? while the uk government is making inroads in to making the civil service more efficient, after decades of being allowed to get in the position it has, We're effectively paying 2 set's of people, to do the same job, it's like you're blind to the fact that the government is indeed cutting the civil service hard, and seeing as once again, osborne has missed his borrowing target again, he's gonna have to Cut even more in the autumn statement, as labour try and win votes with the line ' they're cutting the civil service to the bone' You say we won't have any less politicians? but is it not in the tories manifesto to cut down the size of governemt and make it more efficient anyway, they want parliament down to 600 mp's, the manifesto also say's they've cut down on 300 quango's and made the state smaller than any other time after ww2, so there is an appetite for a smaller state, while this government is in power, leaving the eu will amplify this.

The reason the eu get's away with it is because of the above view, they know people will blame the member states government for gold plating, they all do it, while the eu ratchet up the bureaucracy, juncker himself said they meddle too much in people's lives, yet is there going to be any fundamental change to stop this? i highly doubt it, it's just 2 face juncker trying to make out he's on our side and it's those nasty directly elected governments making their rules actually effect real people, he has the best of both worlds. being allowed to bring in more powers, while not being held accountable, but looking like he's on your side from the distance

Brexit will be the first move. Then we can focus on our own government, who by that time might have started to realise that the people actually hold the power. Many knees already knocking in Westminster I am sure.

 

[its yourself]

Good morning Prof. You failed to answer my questions. But then you Remainers are no better than the Brexiters in providing detailed information. So, I have marked your exam paper at 0/10

Interesting that you have latched onto my conspiracy theory. No doubt that Mr.Putin will be the catalyst behind the destruction of the EU. There will be nothing that any of us can do about that. The seeds are already being sown. The EU and Nato have left it too late to take a stand against the new wannabe Tzar. So, I will vote for Brexit, as I want my country back and not to be dragged down by subservience to the new political order that we will soon see in Europe. Better to be tough on the outside, than squeaking like a mouse inside.

Good article in Bloomberg.

Your country?

 

[turbo]

You still don't get it. Do you?

Please explain my guided one

 

[Wastexprt]

Westminster is a legislation machine - that's all it can do.

If we leave ( and I fear we will) , you won't see any reduction in politicians, advisors , civil servants or legislation

I say again, we could be more efficient here and give a boost to the greater UK economy by moving the UK parliament out of London ( I like the idea of embedding it in Edinburgh) and further rationalising the number of MPs and the Lords

I would imagine per capita the EU legislation process is infinitely more efficient than any Member State's equivalent

Could it be said that if we leave the EU that our legislation may actually increase to fill in any gaps? Not that unpicking our domestic legislation will be an overnight job, not by any stretch. If previous governments hadn't been so beholden to the EU I wonder where we would be now??

 

[Muck Spreader]

Could it be said that if we leave the EU that our legislation may actually increase to fill in any gaps? Not that unpicking our domestic legislation will be an overnight job, not by any stretch. If previous governments hadn't been so beholden to the EU I wonder where we would be now??

It will be a good time to be a lawyer, years of work for them unpicking forty odd years of EU legislation.

 

[JP1]

Could it be said that if we leave the EU that our legislation may actually increase to fill in any gaps? Not that unpicking our domestic legislation will be an overnight job, not by any stretch. If previous governments hadn't been so beholden to the EU I wonder where we would be now??

It's all nonsense isn't it? I can't remember the length (in pages) of the current UK Domestic tax code legislation /orders but it's unwieldy and immense and creates a whole industry of tax avoidance. I could be persuaded that a simpler system would actually yield more ........

 

[arbel]

Your country?

In case you hadn't noticed, it's called Great Britain.

 

[its yourself]

In case you hadn't noticed, it's called Great Britain.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland actually.

And the question was why "my country back" was said.

Do you have personal ownership?

Is it not "our" country?

Or have you in mind mass expulsions?

 

[arbel]

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland actually.

And the question was why "my country back" was said.

Do you have personal ownership?

Is it not "our" country?

Or have you in mind mass expulsions?

Yawn yawn yawn Try to be a bit less pedantic. The weekend is coming. Chill out and have a big G and T this evening. There are about 10 British gins you can chose from and lots of home produced tonic waters too!

As you slip into a more mellow mood, think of all those Brexit advantages.

Enjoy your weekend.

 

[its yourself]

Yawn yawn yawn Try to be a bit less pedantic. The weekend is coming. Chill out and have a big G and T this evening. There are about 10 British gins you can chose from and lots of home produced tonic waters too!

As you slip into a more mellow mood, think of all those Brexit advantages.

Enjoy your weekend.

Advantages?

At the back of the queue I suppose the UK would get a good view of the advantages everyone else has.

Oh and if you can't get the name of the state you claim to live in right I doubt you are in a position to recommend alcohol consumption.

 

[arbel]

Advantages?

At the back of the queue I suppose the UK would get a good view of the advantages everyone else has.

Oh and if you can't get the name of the state you claim to live in right I doubt you are in a position to recommend alcohol consumption.

I hope I am man enough to admit a mistake. I should have referred to the United Kingdom and "our" country. Do I need to grovel any further?

Cheer up. All will start to get better after Brexit.

 

[arbel]

Obama states that we would all be much safer sticking with the EU. In fact, we would be much safer if the Americans hadn't stormed into Iraq, without having planned ahead how that country's infrastructure was to run after victory. Instead, Iraq disintegrated into lawlessness and it was out of this mess that Isis was born.
So we don't need any lectures from him about safety.

 

[arbel]

Obama states that we would all be much safer sticking with the EU. In fact, we would be much safer if the Americans hadn't stormed into Iraq, without having planned ahead how that country's infrastructure was to run after victory. Instead, Iraq disintegrated into lawlessness and it was out of this mess that Isis was born.
So we don't need any lectures from him about safety.

It was noteworthy too that Obama said that we would "go to the back of the queue" if we Brexit. So much for the Special Relationship. With friends like this, who needs enemies?

It is noteworthy that the EU after all this time, still has no functioning trade deal with the USA. The only EU/USA trade deal I see in the offing is the dreaded TTPI

If you think that's going to be good news for the UK, read these comments:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html

Cameron's bezzie mate will soon to going back home. He has plenty of problems to address there, before poking his nose into our business.

 

[Muck Spreader]

It was noteworthy too that Obama said that we would "go to the back of the queue" if we Brexit. So much for the Special Relationship. With friends like this, who needs enemies?

It is noteworthy that the EU after all this time, still has no functioning trade deal with the USA. The only EU/USA trade deal I see in the offing is the dreaded TTPI

If you think that's going to be good news for the UK, read these comments:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html

Cameron's bezzie mate will soon to going back home. He has plenty of problems to address there, before poking his nose into our business.

I think it's only we who talk about a special relationships. The Americans see it as bailing the UK out of the sh1t again.

 

[caveman]

It was noteworthy too that Obama said that we would "go to the back of the queue" if we Brexit. So much for the Special Relationship. With friends like this, who needs enemies?

It is noteworthy that the EU after all this time, still has no functioning trade deal with the USA. The only EU/USA trade deal I see in the offing is the dreaded TTPI

If you think that's going to be good news for the UK, read these comments:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html

Cameron's bezzie mate will soon to going back home. He has plenty of problems to address there, before poking his nose into our business.

All written by remain spin doctors who got it wrong.
A yank would of written....."end of the line".

 

[wr.]

At the start of this debate my head was saying one thing and my heart another. Same as millions of other UK citizens, I'm sure. Last night, my bro in law said something which synchronised the two. (head and heart) He said, " If we'd never been a member of the EU and were only now voting to join or remain on our own, which would you do?"
By sheer luck, we steered clear of the euro and thank God we did. One other thing - I've been googling for hours to find out when countries like China, Japan and countless others joined the EU. It hasn't stopped them exporting to us.