EU sausage war

Martin Holden

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Biden has a deep interest in his Irish heritage, and has visited several times. You can be certain he knows a damn sight more about Ireland and it’s history, than pretty much any of the Etonian Billy Bunter types, who ultimately threw NI under the bus, in their rush to get on board the leaky ship Global Britain.
Now your posts are becoming laughable. So many assumptions as to make them almost comedy.
 

robs1

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Of course we didn’t have a referendum on the Euro. Neither did we have a referendum on dumping the Irish Pound for the adoption of the Punt.
We have referendums on “constitutional” matters. Not on monetary or fiscal policy. We elect a government to govern, within the parameters of the constitution. Written constitution that is.
Giving up a currency and the control of it is surely one of the basics of a countries ability to governing itself m isnt there a single interest rate throughout the EU ? If as appears inflation rears its head in some euro countries and not others that could be a big problem.
 

Martin Holden

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yes mainly because t may and remainer parliament let eu think if they were unreasonable we would stay
The UK were straight onto the wrong foot when TM seemed to be backing what the EU wanted - customs Union so in effect not leaving. Maybe just maybe it should have been no deal then perhaps common sense on both sides may have prevailed. The EU is a bureaucratic organisation and IMHO needs reform. Bring back the common market and drop this United Europe politically, monetary and all other matters.
 
The UK were straight onto the wrong foot when TM seemed to be backing what the EU wanted - customs Union so in effect not leaving. Maybe just maybe it should have been no deal then perhaps common sense on both sides may have prevailed. The EU is a bureaucratic organisation and IMHO needs reform. Bring back the common market and drop this United Europe politically, monetary and all other matters.
too right
 

Martin Holden

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I can only assume that anybody outside England who voted for Brexit didn't fully understand the implications of what would happen or bought into the Leave propaganda about a CU that would mean things not changing that much. But a good many did see the risk to the Union. This could be a legitimate excuse in England where the risk to NI received little or no coverage particularly as much of the talk was, even if Brexit happens, it will more than likely follow a Norway option, which even hardliners like Farage had bought into at the time.
Whatever you may or may not think, I have a hunch that if we had another vote now the leave % would be higher. Then what would you say? It’s about time all this nonsense stopped and we all got in with life as best we can. We have to move on pal
 
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Martin Holden

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Since Elizabeth the first, the British have struggled to come up with solutions, any goddam solution to the “Irish Question”.
Here we are centuries later, the British establishment knows as little about how to solve the “question”, as back then, and cares a good deal less.
But make no mistake, that same establishment is hell bent on Global Rule Britannia, and the final sacrifice of NI as a part of the union, is in their eye a worthy sacrifice.
All the bull fertiliser spewing out of the mouths of Boris and Raab, about doing “whatever it takes”, to get rid of the protocol, is mere hot air. Boris can’t be trusted from one minute to the next.
Oh, and you could come up with a solution that satisfies all sides in NI? I have visited there but don’t live there so I can’t “feel” the atmosphere like those that do. From a bystanders position I see it as an almost impossible situation as the loyalists want to stay in the UK and I presume the republicans would prefer to join with the south. How do you resolve this? It’s not working too well in Israel and Palestine is it?
 
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arcobob

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I can only assume that anybody outside England who voted for Brexit didn't fully understand the implications of what would happen or bought into the Leave propaganda about a CU that would mean things not changing that much. But a good many did see the risk to the Union. This could be a legitimate excuse in England where the risk to NI received little or no coverage particularly as much of the talk was, even if Brexit happens, it will more than likely follow a Norway option, which even hardliners like Farage had bought into at the time.
I can only assume that anybody who left the UK to live in another EU country could not see the blindingly obvious final outcome. If they had they would not be bleating now.
 

stewart

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I can only assume that anybody who left the UK to live in another EU country could not see the blindingly obvious final outcome. If they had they would not be bleating now.
Or perhaps they did see the blindingly obvious, which could be why they left in the first place. There of course quite a number who would have liked to have left and wish they had but didn't have the balls to give it a go and then there are those that are quite content to stay where they are, each to their own.
 

bobk

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Or perhaps they did see the blindingly obvious, which could be why they left in the first place. There of course quite a number who would have liked to have left and wish they had but didn't have the balls to give it a go and then there are those that are quite content to stay where they are, each to their own.
Not sure it's anything to do with size of one's gonads ,
 

manhill

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Where the respect for the Protocol that Boris wanted , agreed and signed?
The EU have asked you to implement it as you agreed, you refuse to put the infrastructure in place. That's why it's not working.
You blame the EU for everything, do you want them to put logs on your fire as well?
Have to be under 20% moisture don't forget.
 

Ashtree

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Oh, and you could come up with a solution that satisfies all sides in NI? I have visited there but don’t live there so I can’t “feel” the atmosphere like those that do. From a bystanders position I see it as an almost impossible situation as the loyalists want to stay in the UK and I presume the republicans would prefer to join with the south. How do you resolve this? It’s not working too well in Israel and Palestine is it?
Exactly the point. There IS a settlement. It’s called the Good Friday Agreement. It details how NI constitutional status can be changed in the future, or not as the case may be, through a border poll. It has also effectively negated the border with the ROI as a permanent pain in the ass for all those who live there.
It has brought decades if peace and stability. There can never again be a hard border there.
 

Muck Spreader

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I can only assume that anybody who left the UK to live in another EU country could not see the blindingly obvious final outcome. If they had they would not be bleating now.
Whilst I had low expectations of the UK negotiators, I didn't expect a total whitewash by Barnier's team.

Regarding the protocol, IMO all Bozza can really do is now is agree that the UK will fall in line with EU, SPS regulations for the time being, this will solve most of the immediate problems even with Stormont likely to fall and the marching season just about to kick off. His problem is how he sells it to his supporters as a victory, but as a prolific liar it should not cause him much anguish. :)
 

Martin Holden

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Exactly the point. There IS a settlement. It’s called the Good Friday Agreement. It details how NI constitutional status can be changed in the future, or not as the case may be, through a border poll. It has also effectively negated the border with the ROI as a permanent pain in the ass for all those who live there.
It has brought decades if peace and stability. There can never again be a hard border there.
I certainly don’t advocate a hard border politically motivated or otherwise. You’re all on a smallish Island within the same land mass
 

Could a ‘Meat Tax’ be on the cards in the UK?

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Written by Richard Halleron from Agriland

The latest machination coming from the so-called ‘opinion formers’, who seem to have the ear of government advisors in London, is the introduction of a ‘Meat Tax’ at consumer level.

This approach, it is argued, would have the combined impact of reducing meat consumption levels (I can really see the health benefits coming through now), while also helping to reduce the overall carbon footprint of production agriculture.

What absolute drivel! In my opinion, none of this makes sense at any level. This is a scurrilous and unfounded attack on livestock farming in this part of the world.

Yet, it has to be taken seriously. I make this point because economists at Rothamsted Research have already crunched the numbers where the introduction of a ‘UK...
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